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Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

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R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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Terfing · 16/05/2018 23:03

I just had a look on Twitter, the feedback is overwhelmingly negative towards Munroe. The public are not foooled.

2rebecca · 16/05/2018 23:02

Seems bizarre if you are really gender dysphoric to want all that facial surgery but be happy to keep the most male part of you. A penis is never female.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 23:02

It was definitely a Peaker!

Bet the mainstream media fawn over it tho, they'll have their orders, churnalism striking again.

I wish I could wake up tomorrow to a review by Julie Burchill..

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 23:02

Well I’ve had 4 glasses of wine on a school night to watch that!

Lefthanddown · 16/05/2018 23:01

What a crock of shit that programme was.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 23:00

YY. Woman is all of us. Including men.

All in all I suspect that might have peak transed a few people. I'm sure folk will feel.sorry for MB, but that is not the same as accepting they are a woman.

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 23:00

Hmm, not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I think it's probably peaked more than a few people. Own goal? Yes, I think it was.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 23:00

"Who's the realist woman"

Me, I'm a realist. Munroe, you are really not.

I laughed out loud so many times during that.

Except for the bit that made me angry. And that made me really angry.

Weebo · 16/05/2018 23:00

Ugh, pish.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 23:00

Nearly a whole bar of green and blacks. That was a ride...

cistersofterfy · 16/05/2018 22:59

Interesting that the "science" put MB in a different group to women. That'd be science saying that.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:59

Fuck off.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:59

MB doesn't HAVE a womanhood. MB has a gender identity as a woman.

TerfTerfTerf · 16/05/2018 22:59

On a positive note, MB is very good at being careful to use 'sex' and 'gender' correctly...
...shame MB is utterly deluded about what makes a woman though

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:58

Is MB not listening / understanding what they are saying Hmm

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:58

Women like you still don't exist. Trans women like you exist.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:57

I identify as a hake Wink

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:57

Oh ffs. CIS

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:57

So what does that prove?

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:57

"The data we have from you classifies you as a transgender person" after the survey :D and MB looks pleased with that!

Those gender surveys usually identify me as a man..

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:57

I'm not a fucking cis woman either Luv, I'm a WOMAN. I've a fucking vagina.

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:57

Transgender brain?

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:57

Based on a questionnaire and brain data... I wonder what was measured?

"I've never said I was a fish gender woman" no, because cos is made up bollocks

BlooperReel · 16/05/2018 22:57

The whole vagina is just a body part bit. Fucking hell.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:57

I really want to see the questionnaire used...

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