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Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

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R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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SomeDyke · 16/05/2018 15:19

"but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality...."
This is about the one correct statement in that review -- yes, it is very telling when we see folks thinking feminism is about equality, rather than our sex-based oppression.

Damn, but feminists are unpopular at the moment (well, the uncomfortable cunty sort that is!). We must be doing something right, I'm always suspicious when we're not unpopular, usually means someone is up to no good................

Destinysdaughter · 16/05/2018 15:19

Was looking for a thread on this. Out to get a bottle of wine now as think I'll need it to be able to bear this without throwing something at the TV! Just the title of this show is bloody offensive, what makes a woman?? Apparently it's tons of plastic surgery, fake boobs, makeup and heels.

Actually, no it's not. Angry

R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 15:14

Link to recording from the 'We Need to Talk' meeting referred to:
www.facebook.com/TheJamJarBristol/videos/793672257494647/

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BlooperReel · 16/05/2018 15:09

Well I can answer MB's title question very easily 'What makes a woman?' - 'Not a biological male'.

There, can we go back to reality now?

Kyanite · 16/05/2018 15:08

My partner asked me last night if he wanted me to record it...I told I think he already knows what it takes to make a women, and it's not a penis! (He found that funny)

We don't deny that they exist, we know that transwomen exist and we have no objection to that. We also don't deny transwomen's identity, they're living as women and that's fine too. The issue is that they want us to believe that they are actually female and that their male bodies are female...some even say that they are more female than born women because they have gone through the process of transitioning. That transitioning may amount to nothing more than a name change.

BeyondPink · 16/05/2018 15:01

"the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic"

No. That was outside the meeting.

Juanitajune · 16/05/2018 14:59

When is the follow up show 'What makes a man' going to be shown?

Opheliah · 16/05/2018 14:59

TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space

Christ that's loaded language. Terfs simply don't believe men can be women and women can be men which is like, normal thinking. Name calling "terf" is total demonisation in action.

Also, feminism is about women. Marxism is about equality. Why should feminists do all the work for all the world's equality equality?

pombal · 16/05/2018 14:57

I find this so offensive.

It’s like Rachael Dolezal making a program about what it’s like to be black.

MrsJayy · 16/05/2018 14:54

Feminisim isn't the same as equality it is about women and girls rights. Women don't have to accept trans women into their spaces our rights as bilogical women are being minimised as if we don't matter.

R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:52

feminism is [not about women?] about equality

This was what Ash Sarkar said during the GenderQuake debate... when did this happen?

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Noqonterfy · 16/05/2018 14:50

Feminism is about women.

reallybadidea · 16/05/2018 14:47

Another man telling women we're doing feminism wrong ffs

reallybadidea · 16/05/2018 14:46

“feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Mumsnut · 16/05/2018 14:43

Will I be deleted for saying 'Bollocks'?