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Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

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R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:37

I think it could be.

cistersofterfy · 16/05/2018 22:37

Surely this whole programme is a massive own goal?

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:36

Oh I hope some people are looking at these dudes in masks blocking the event, and listening to how clueless they sound. Peak Peak Peak!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:36

Controversial my arse. I think MB means true...

LikeAZombie · 16/05/2018 22:36

I actually think she passes pretty well and is quite attractive. Until she opens her mouth and the utter bollocks fall out. Alignment? Saying she didn't change but then she's a different person now. None of it makes any sense. What have twitter spats got to do with being a woman anyway.
I get gender, be what ever the fuck gender you want. We don't segregate spaces by gender we segregate by sex it's really simple

Picassospaintbrush · 16/05/2018 22:35

How is the irony not smacking them in the face??

I would imagine its permanently numb after all that sanding down.

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:35

I notice no apology for the Twitter stuff.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:35

Mb could get WPUk name right at least...

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:34

And now race for life, women-only events raising money for cancer research.. srsly C4 are you playing with us?

thebewilderness · 16/05/2018 22:34

Redefining gender as though it were a fashion statement. Which it is.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:34

I notice that MB didn't compare and contrast with the shit women have to deal with on Twitter...

GozerTheGozerian · 16/05/2018 22:34

Did MB just say they couldn’t believe people could be so mean in tweets ... in a section where they’d just acknowledged writing offensive tweets themselves????

How is the irony not smacking them in the face??

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:33

Sunday at 9.00 yesssss!

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:33

Yes,Joan!!

2rebecca · 16/05/2018 22:33

Don't think those clothes are aimed at me

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:33

CoolCarrie yupp! That much was obvious when MB said that only MB can be main focal point and narrator

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:33

My daughters are peak trans, they're in their 20's and 30's. Nice try with the ageism MB.

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:33

At least there is a trailer for The Handmaid’s Tale !!!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:33

I'm liking the Handmaids Tale advert placing Grin

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:32

The tweet abuse is vile but its inclusion here makes it a pitymebio,not an examination of what makes a woman. What is the mission statement if this programme?

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:32

I feel like I'm being trolled by C4, getting Handmaids Tale ads in the break!

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:32

"Identity" - we studied this during my politics and sociology Degree and it's so fluid and undefined that it is almost pointless as a term because it can't be pinned down or scientifically measured.

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Also those women are basing their views on society - they're sick of society's stereotypical view of women and men! The crap about age is pissing me off, I'm only 24!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:32

I notice they may use different language now, but I don't see them apologising for past comments...

Picassospaintbrush · 16/05/2018 22:31

The high cost, high maintenance authenticity dichotomy goes over their heads.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:31

Also "model MB" ? One catwalk and a photo shoot doesn't a model make.

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