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Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

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R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:44

Oh well said Venice, what a star.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:44

Looool Venice's "jfc you're a total bullshitter" face

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:44

I'm really beginning to think that this is a massive own goal.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:43

The contrast of Venice and the event speakers clear arguments compared to the mumbling fools outside the venue..

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:43

Venice clear on law, good on yer.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:43

I wonder if MB actually signed off on this. It's almost coming across as balanced?

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:42

Surely this whole programme is a massive own goal?

I think it may be.

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:42

Meetings Designed to deny we exist" yeah, miranda was a mirage

Literally my thoughts...!

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:42

Thank you Fine.

LikeAZombie · 16/05/2018 22:42

Think that was magdelen berns Sitting next to mb in the audience
I really want to go to one of those meetings

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:41

There was a trans person speaking FFS.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:41

Meetings Designed to deny we exist" yeah, miranda was a mirage

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2018 22:41

And Nicole Jones.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:41

Lol no fuzzing out of Magdalen Berns! I'm sure I'm not the only woman here at least a little in love with her.

Cooroo · 16/05/2018 22:41

How is it denying the existence of trans people when Miranda is on the platform?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:41

Miranda Yardley. Heather Brunskell-Evans Evans. Posie Parker.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:40

Get in, posie!

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:40

Fuck that shit Agree!

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:40

These men in masks probably are the men who want to be able to self-ID to get into women only places for their own sick reasons!

Are they flashing between inside and outside and MB to make it feel like it's more toxic and dramatic towards MB than what it actually was?

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:39

Who are the speakers?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:39

Yay Miranda! I'm glad they are showing MB doesn't speak for all trans people.

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2018 22:39

I do hope so. Narcissists don't tend to know what "reasonable" looks like. So they don't know when they've gone too far. And MB had a lot of control over this programme.

Terfing · 16/05/2018 22:38

To be fair, Munroe is/was a naturally good-looking person. I think that is what makes this even sadder, really.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:38

Ooh, this could be a real own goal...

HelenaDove · 16/05/2018 22:38

Was anyone here at the meeting featured in the programme?

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