Girl Guides Panel discussion at Speakers house.... woman, male, woman, male, male, male....

Really interesting... what is going on???

feels very very bizarre..... can understand Amnesty International going a bit dolally as they've not been well run for a long time... but the Guides? How are they not reflecting on this from every angle before plunging in as they are, betraying so many of their values of inclusivity for girls and young women....especially the most marginalised (and by that I do NOT mean trans, but ethnic minorities and serious disadvantage)

and Scared the new program outline www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/how-were-being-our-best/were-going-on-a-journey/programme-overview/

There will also be a new offering for young women aged 18-30 (increasing the age of 'senior section' from 25, and allowing the younger members of that section 14-18 to have their own section with its own activities that link from rainbows, brownies, and guides).

www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/how-were-being-our-best/updates-for-our-members/18-30-which-path-will-you-take/

What are the new badges like?

It's all very weird. Completely changing the ethos of guiding.... as I've said before my daughter's are both soon to love up a section and it's tempting to move away ::(

and the age is changing from 14-25 to 14 -18 (up to 19th birthday)

So still 'kids' effectively, no 'young women'. Again, interesting, when combined with the other changes.

It may be worth digging around and finding out more about who is at GG HQ.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/our-organisation/how-girlguiding-is-run/the-council/

I am not clear if the AGM is open and, if it is, if anyone could speak.

A recent issue with Scouting and accessibility was only settled after a legal case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scout-autism-discrimination-boy-lawsuit-compensation-harpenden-club-a8273906.html

Does Girl Guiding have an AGM if the regular routes to engage are not being productive?

There is a whole new program of badges and activities being brought out this summer, completely new, across all sections. The oldest age group (Senior Section) is going back to the old name "Rangers" and the age is changing from 14-25 to 14 -18 (up to 19th birthday).
New forms for parents permission and for notification for events are being introduced (much more paperwork all round).
Interestingly the event notification form now asks for the "gender" - male , female, other...

I don't know what is going on, but something is, and the grass roots members have not been asked and questions are not allowed.

It's just not rational that GGs would suddenly just chuck out safeguarding. More is at play, behind the scenes.

This is my feeling too.

What do you think it could be?

I mean it can't be good can it.. .

The plot, as they say, thickens...

It's just not rational that GGs would suddenly just chuck out safeguarding. More is at play, behind the scenes.

Julie Bentley's social circle

When the Guides senior people have said they won’t meet with women’s groups in order to discuss their concerns around safeguarding etc?

So they won't meet with women's groups but they will meet with Phil/Pips fucking Bunce?

The chief exec of the Guides (Julie Bentley) used to be the chief Exec at the frickin’ Family Planning Association. I am fairly sure that means she knows a fair bit about relevant issues to this affecting women and young people, given that the FPA offers parents and others advice and training about young people and relationships and particularly around consent issues and safeguarding.

Anyone who has worked at the FPA you would expect will have a pretty good understanding of how babies are made and that biological sex is actually real and not a made up or feelz-based thing.

So what on earth is actually going on here at this meeting in Parliament? When the Guides senior people have said they won’t meet with women’s groups in order to discuss their concerns around safeguarding etc? WTAF? That is not the action of a non campaigning charity..

He's at Credit Suisse. Not Citi.

picasso thanks for sharing Miranda .. the only sane piece I have read about Bunce.... longing to ask a mate of mine what they ACTUALLY make of him at Citi....

Jonny Whitehead, the man in charge of safeguarding at Guides used to work for a childrens charity in Africa, did he bring in this change or did it precede him?

It's massively about sanitising and normalising kink and fetish. Cross dressers, transvestites. If they can create a loophole making them legally women they are in everywhere.

That's what Shelia Jeffreys was presetting about in the House of Commons back in March which caused such utter rage among the narcs. They have been working towards this since the 1970s.

Someone like Stephen Whittle is just a cover.

This. It's PIE all over again. Most don't comprehend the duality of sexual predatation and abusive men - it's all about grooming.

Trans activists have gone after so many different female centred organisations. I don't see how it is possible to read this as anything other than an attack on women.

This - look for the pattern…not as each as a one off.

They want girls to grow up thinking of it as normal to have no connection to the women around them.

I don't know if it's actually deliberate but I think this is true. The nurturing power of women only spaces is an existential threat. That's why the lashing out is so vicious.

One of the biggest shocks I personally had was realising abusive men deliberately set out to severe the bond of the children with their mother - by separation, undermining, putdowns, ignoring, blaming etc. So I have no doubt this is deliberate - as orphans are a lot easier to control, whereas she-wolves are not.

It's massively about sanitising and normalising kink and fetish. Cross dressers, transvestites. If they can create a loophole making them legally women they are in everywhere.

That's what Shelia Jeffreys was presetting about in the House of Commons back in March which caused such utter rage among the narcs. They have been working towards this since the 1970s.

Someone like Stephen Whittle is just a cover.

They want girls to grow up thinking of it as normal to have no connection to the women around them.

I don't know if it's actually deliberate but I think this is true. The nurturing power of women only spaces is an existential threat. That's why the lashing out is so vicious.

Looks like we have to start again with feminist led charities, services and refuges.

YY.

I've already altered all my regular charitable donations - I mostly give to local charities (where I see how the money is spent) or women's orgs that are holding out on single sex, woman-centred provision. I would suggest that we collate a list but it would probably only send abuse and harassment their way.

There's no way in creation I'm giving to corporate charities that are busy abusing women and minors abroad (Oxfam), putting pimps on their boards (Amnesty), or taking my donation and giving it to the likes of Mermaids (Children in Need et al).

Thx Picasso very enlightening

But this is all beside the point. Whatever the future may hold for Bunce, the reality is that:

Bunce is a heterosexual man who picks and chooses how he benefits from his position;
His inclusion on this list is at the expense of an actual woman;
His advocacy leverages oppressed minorities to his own benefit;
His advocacy is actively anti-woman and anti-homosexual; and
Women’s and LGB organisations continue to centre heterosexual males.
It does not have to be like this. Bunce talks a lot about authenticity. I wish he had the balls to say:

I am an autogynephilic man, a transvestite, and this is okay;
I am not ‘a woman’ and I, as a father of two children, am not female;
I care about sex equality, and in my advocacy other equalities will follow this;
I understand that gender is stereotypes and this damages all of us; and
I believe we should all be allowed to wear what we want to work, whatever makes us most comfortable makes us most happy and productive.

Well said Miranda

Who has their claws into them?

They just seem to be listening to big money lobby groups.

Not, you know, their actual leaders and parents.

It's because all these third sector orgs are being led by posh postmodernists. That's why nowhere in the corporate third sector world is safe from this shit - from Amnesty and Oxfam and Save The Children to the Guides - all taken over by social constructionist bullshit. It's all connected.

So much this. And they push their agendas, even when only tangentially related.