The right to bare arms.....for women only

I thought this was going to be about men looking not as smart as women in short sleeved shirts in the summer...nope.

Double knit :)

I like layers and don't like baring my arms either - which is a problem in hot climates!

Not really a knitter but I recently bought a lovely open cardi that has pockets! Which I'm not sure I'll use because I think it would look funny, but it's nice to have the option.

So no, I will not be baring my arms, at least not if it's cold.

Double knit or Aran?

Anybody got a good pattern for a long cardy? I like a good collar like a cowl

"Someone attempted to rob me a knifepoint, if I knew how to prevent that person doing that act, I would. I dont see how it's possible"

And lacking in imagination....

If that person didn't need money then they wouldn't have robbed you.

A lot of crime is caused by

poverty
lack of opportunity
addiction
and with violent crime I'll throw in
toxic masculinity / glamourisation of violence
the peer group stuff with gangs comes from a mix of the above

So, address these and you reduce crime. You are left with the proper nutters who want to stab people just because, and there are far fewer of them about.

Everyone knows this don't they? Apart from apaprently they don't.

Unstoppable maybe but reducable yes.

Crime rates for all sorts of crimes differ in different countries for a variety of reasons often interlinked.

Societal views around the level of seriosuness of different types of crime
Liklihood of getting caught
With crimes against women & girls, linked to their position in society (how far are they viewed as peopel and how far as possessions / objects)
etc

Clearly things can change, as they do. It is no longer legal in the UK to rape your wife, and while clearly we have a long way to go, I would think that most people in this country would say it should be a crime. 50 years ago, not so much.

See? All good. We just keep pushing. The only other option is to believe that men are irredeemable, that they are born bad, and there is nothing that can be done, and you won't get much agreement from feminists on that view.

The may be the worst idea I have ever read on MN.

I would be able to shoot my attacker

You simply don't know how you'd react faced with a real situation. Even if you've been through it once, you don't know what will happen the next time.

And that's only even considering that you'd be able to reach for a gun and it wouldn't be taken away from you.

Hunting something is complete different. A duck isn't gonna rape and murder you now is it? It's just happily minding its own business until you shoot it.
Different scenario if you're faced with a 6ft, aggressive bloke intent on doing you harm!
Silly comparison imo.

Personally I agree with the poster who said she’d rather be raped than carry a gun. I mean that. I decided long ago that if it came to it I’d rather be killed than kill another human being. Perhaps that’s an odd perspective, or perhaps I’m just a natural pacifist. In any case, as others have said, when it comes down to it most people can’t shoot a person in anger.

I would be able to shoot my attacker, I hunt for all my meat (deer, turkey, duck etc) I know I can turn off my emotions at the critical point

Well, because if they talked to other men they might get some pushback, and also why should it be men's responsibility to solve what they see as women's problem?

Dude clearly sees men hurting women as a problem for women that women must come up with a solution to. The idea that men might stop hurting women is apparently too silly to even be worth considering.

A man who insists that male violence is unstoppable is telling you who he is.

But this is more than the individual level AAK. We are talking about the vocal majority representing Class Dude online. Where are these supposed legions of non-violent, non-rapey dudes? Why is it left to feminists to point out this shit is wrong? Those dudes, absolute tiny minority online. Why are they not objecting "not in my name"?

Rhetorical. Because I don't believe the it is a minority of violent/rapey dudes, and most of the Nice Guys, seem more than happy for violent dudes to speak for them. Nice Guys are the tiny minority here. Not the other way around.

When people tell you who they are believe them, eh? A man who insists that male violence is unstoppable is telling you who he is.

What on earth is wrong with men, when as a class, or individually, they maintain male violence and male sexual violence is inevitable?

Feminists - against all evidence of your humanity - would say it is not, just fucking stop it already.

If you all are telling the actual truth on this, then we should actually cull your numbers dramatically and swiftly.

Your choice.

@Lweji

^ This, a thousand times. I hope you all don't think that all men share the OP's apparent belief that such violence (any violence?) is inevitable. It is not.

I always find myself thinking of this experiment carried out by ABC news in America, where they gave a bunch of kids gun training, then (unknown to them) put them in a lecture theatre and simulated a campus shooting (with paintballs):

None of them, even the guy who'd spent years training regularly, even got their gun out the holster before they were shot "dead" (i.e. paintball somewhere where a real bullet would have been fatal).

That's why armed police walk round with the safety catch off, the gun cradled across their chest in a ready position, and their fingers already on the trigger. Because any other set-up means you can't use the damn thing quick enough.

Guns are pretty much useless in surprise attacks, and as people have pointed out upthread, also useless in date rape/partner rape situations (which accounts for the majority of rapes).

Walk around your house with a tin of pepper spray in your tiny woman sized pockets, just in case your partner or a family member attacks you. The police will not in any way hold this against you if you pepper spray the bastard and he then calls them in.

Male on female violence can decrease if it's not seen as inevitable. And it's punished in courts and socially.

Yes, keep pepper spray just in case your husband hits you, or your boyfriend rapes you, or your boss harasses you.
Any of these is probably more likely than a stranger attack.

I love the fact that "suggest a cardigan" was the Mumsnet default response.

I really got stuck at cardigans. Like, who would really want those bare arms?

This idea spectacularly misunderstands male violence in two ways. Firstly, most women are raped/murdered by men that they know, not in scenarios like strangers approaching them on the street/breaking into their house, where gun use might theoretically be an option. Secondly, women's perception of feeling unsafe is informed in part by the vast amounts of "low level" sexual harassment etc within society, and I'm pretty sure noone is suggesting gun use in response to this. The only way to protect women from male violence is to reduce male violence.