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Woman gets written up by HR for having menstrual products in her car

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AngryAttackKittens · 14/05/2018 09:19

Turns out that the coworker who complained was a transwoman. The complaining part is sadly not a surprise, since we already know that some transwomen think women are being female at them out of spite, but the fact that HR actually took the complaint seriously and wrote the letter writer up for having personal care items in a bag in her car rather than explaining to the complainer that the complaint was unreasonable is not exactly a great sign in terms of how workplaces are handling complaints relating to trans issues.

www.askamanager.org/2018/04/i-got-in-trouble-because-my-coworker-saw-maxi-pads-in-my-car-and-more.html

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Juells · 17/05/2018 17:22

they insisted that an untrained person pour hot wax on their genitals and then yank the hair out without having any idea how to go about doing so safely.

Can't help feeling that post would have gone down well in the recent BDSM thread 🤣

AngryAttackKittens · 16/05/2018 07:01

That's the second "I will sue this spa for refusing to wax my ladyballs" lawsuit I've heard about. First of all, staff are entitled to refuse to do that. Secondly, do these idiots not understand that waxing balls is something one has to be specially trained for and the regular old how to wax a vulva training really won't cover it? It's all fun and games until someone ends up in the ER because they insisted that an untrained person pour hot wax on their genitals and then yank the hair out without having any idea how to go about doing so safely.

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merrymouse · 16/05/2018 07:00

Never mind what was being hidden, why would an HR department care what was in your car?

Kyanite · 16/05/2018 06:50

Some can't tolerate being reminded that their body is different from ours. They want validation above all.

Transgender woman files human rights complaint against Windsor spa - windsorstar.com/news/local-news/transgender-woman-files-human-rights-complaint-against-windsor-spa

"Modern trans activists do not want acceptance but rather affirmation. Not “I am willing to treat you as a woman” but rather “I believe that you actually ARE a woman.”" twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/990941126373920769

LaSqrrl · 16/05/2018 01:16

Gosh, I was wondering about 'kink', LOL.
For those that did not follow what I was saying, I actually hyperlinked the actual link I was talking about.

AnotherQuoll · 15/05/2018 23:00

I don't think it's even really womb envy. Not like they really do want bleeding, cramps, the risk of unwanted pregnancy where abortion is illegal, or injuries from childbirth.

I think a lot of them just don't want that fundamental difference between us to exist. But it does. So they want all evidence banished from sight. Because this is one instance where they will not get their own way, no matter how powerful they or their lobbyists may be.

Teacuphiccup · 15/05/2018 08:20

It opened to a very long series of very sensible replies saying there was nothing wrong in keeping a box of tampons on a work shelf

The sensible replies take a pretty weird turn when the information that the person who complained is trans surfaces.
Then there’s replies saying that the woman must have bullied her and suchlike.

AngryAttackKittens · 15/05/2018 03:06

To me the trans element is a red herring (other than the complaint appears to have been given extra weight because of it. But I'm guessing - it could be that HR would have done this for anyone).

It's the potentially being given extra weight bit that concerns me, and at the same time I can see why HR would do that given that their job is to protect the company from getting sued/into trouble. (Aside - if you think HR are there to help you the employee then think again.) I'd hope that if Bob who works in sales threw a fit about menstrual products being visible in someone's car, or even at their desk, Bob would be told tactfully but firmly that there's no office rule banning employees from having products that half of them will need for at least some portion of their career in their private vehicle, or at their desk. If it's Bianca who's trans complaining then I can see that HR might handle that differently, and not in a way that's advantageous to female employees.

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Ereshkigal · 14/05/2018 23:43

I love the way you edited LaSqrrl's typo in your quote Lass Grin and some of the comments were batshit.

Pratchet · 14/05/2018 23:39

The whole world is transphobic because men ain't women and never will be, and some of them need to take out their rage about this on all women. Womb envy.

Pratchet · 14/05/2018 23:37

I would find this believable tbh. The complaint and the handling of it. People who scoff obviously haven't seen lesbians told to leave lesbian groups by trans mods because they don't think TW have periods like women do.

LassWiADelicateAir · 14/05/2018 23:07

Which link sqrrl? It seems to change every time I open the page.

It opened to a very long series of very sensible replies saying there was nothing wrong in keeping a box of tampons on a work shelf (apart from one idiot who kept comparing them to condoms)

MipMipMip · 14/05/2018 22:51

Which kink sqrrl? It seems to change every time I open the page.

LassWiADelicateAir · 14/05/2018 22:44

It’s weird that your company is hiring 11-year-old boys into management positions. Was it bring-your-kid-to-work day and then they forgot to tell him to leave, and someone accidentally moved him into a real job?

Love that reply. As I said on the unisex toilets thread I used to keep sanitary products on open display on a bookshelf- not at eye level, but not hidden. The 3 male partners I worked with either never noticed or cared.

Re this story don't most work places have (usually out of order) vending machines in the loo anyway?

thebewilderness · 14/05/2018 22:37

The business was faced with a choice of disciplining the employee or being charged with creating a hostile work environment themselves. As frequently happens they chose to save themselves the hassle by disciplining the employee.
Easy enough to remove the letter from the employees file if they challenge it.

LaSqrrl · 14/05/2018 22:31

My view is in line with Kyanite's
Why couldn't this situation happen? We have seen organisations bend over backwards to be pro-trans.

Of course, it is thebewilderness' 6th rule of misogyny
And I think it lends more credibility that the TW thing was not mentioned until later. Why would the letter-writer would have, having sucked up the 'transwomen are women' thing?

Did anyone notice the link at the bottom of those five letters?

thebewilderness · 14/05/2018 21:37

In Canada they would cite the rule that was violated by the woman who was disrespectful of her coworkers beliefs and thereby creating a hostile work environment.
Hostile work environment would be the cite in the US as well.

It is simply a way to harass women with the assistance of authorities like employers and the police. They could file a grievance or appeal through whatever process was available, if there is one.
Like most harassment of women in the workplace it is an obedience training exercise.

Juells · 14/05/2018 21:21

@thebewilderness
people think a woman being disciplined by employers at the behest of a transgender identified male is fake news?

In this case, yes. What would the disciplinary note say? "You were seen to have a packet of MaxiPads in your shopping in your car."

Can you think of a way it could have been worded? Wouldn't you be going to a tribunal immediately if you were the woman in question? Or a lawyer, since it's in the US?

freezerfoodyum · 14/05/2018 20:35

Everydayfeminism are beyond batshit these days.

freezerfoodyum · 14/05/2018 20:35

I'm quite aware of all that bewilder, but there is something about this particular story which does not ring true for me.

Ereshkigal · 14/05/2018 20:35

I once read an everyday Feminism article where it was considered transphobic to have a photo of your children at your desk.

thebewilderness · 14/05/2018 20:15

It is the disbelief that astonishes me.
In a country where women are interviewed under caution by the police when reported for transphobia on twitter,
and the political parties are purging women who express their opinion on women's rights,

people think a woman being disciplined by employers at the behest of a transgender identified male is fake news?
Have you been paying attention?

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 14/05/2018 17:42

It makes no sense.
I'mnot sure what "offence" the pad buyer has committed in the privacy of her onw car

Kyanite · 14/05/2018 17:31

Why couldn't this situation happen? We have seen organisations bend over backwards to be pro-trans. A transwomen could be that sensitive since they want to be believed to be women and saying that they are not biological women is regarded as transphobic. It was probably easier to make it the woman's fault than tell someone so unstable to just deal with it.

thebewilderness · 14/05/2018 17:15

6th rule of misogyny: Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.