Lily Madigan - to celebrate 300 women leaving LP with a party

when they sound like a duck man, they look like a duck man and swim behave like a duck man... they are a duck man

perhaps they should be called ducks?

How dare they say it's a woman doing this? This is a male crime. Men do this to women, girls and boys.

Yes.

And I suppose Mumsnet will delete posts calling this sex offending transwoman by the so-called "wrong" (ie. correct) pronoun.

HQ are you mad? Are you childsexoffendersupportnet or a fucking parenting website?

I can't explain how angry this makes me.

No, just no.

"A woman has denied repeatedly sexually assaulting a child over a period of five years in Hertford.

Carrie Cooper, formerly known as Gary Cooper, faces one charge of sexual touching and ten counts of sexual activity with a child under the age of 13 years old in Hertford between March 2007 and March 2012."

How dare they say it's a woman doing this? This is a male crime. Men do this to women, girls and boys.

Women should never have to call any sexual abusive man, she. Nor should our reputation as women be tarnished by such heinous crimes.

Hertford woman to face trial after being accused of 50 sexual assaults on girl

See, women sexually assault little girls just as much as men do

But if Ian Huntley says he is a woman then he is a woman surely?

That's all it takes.

What about this person? Gary Cooper. Doing 14 years for a series of sexual assaults on children, including raping a 12 year old.

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Next trial is on June 2nd where this person is on trial for 50 further sexual assaults on a child under 13. This person is now called Carrie.

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But don't worry folks.

This never happens.

Ian Huntley, is, and always will be a man. A murdering, disgraceful, stain on the face of humanity, MALE.

I would dearly love that cretin to try and sue anyone for that. Peak trans the world in one fell swoop.

Sheesh they deleted my post.

I am still Spartacus and will never ever ever refer to a man as she.

Ian Huntly is a man and a child murderer. He is not and never will be a women.

Yes, agree Betsy.

Looking back at a couple of Sparticus threads, KateMumsnet has previously said:

"From our perspective, the whole issue is pretty much covered by our Talk Guidelines. If people are using sex-at-birth pronouns to provoke, inflame, or belittle, then that's against the rules and will usually have to go. If it happens as part of an otherwise broadly respectful (even if heated) discussion, we look at it in that context and take a view."

and
"it's not the case that we delete any particular use of pronouns. We do, though, delete posts which seem to us to be intended to goad, inflame or provoke, which is against our Talk Guidelines."

I do not use pronouns to goad, inflame, provoke or belittle - they are used as part of natural speech when referring to someone's sex, and reflects material reality and current scientific orthodoxy. I fail to see how referring to any man who identifies as a woman (either named or in general) as 'he' is breaking these Talk Guidelines.

To now announce "we will have to delete posts where people seem to be deliberately using someone's non-preferred pronouns" is quite a shift. Is MNHQ really telling us to call Ian Huntley or any of the numerous convicted TW rapists 'she'? If so, then this as as far from a pro-woman stance as it is possible to get and I'm not sure I'm prepared to hang around and try any workaround.

We could just use AH for Arsehole instead?

(For clarity and with apology - I would never use that language ordinarily myself - but it's important to understand how other people see us as mums and women. Mumsnet has no reputation to lose because noone takes it seriously anyway. Yes it has numbers to make sales/votes, but that makes it an important market to talk at, which is very different to being seen as important to listen to)

On a slightly different note I have long wondered what the social class makeup is of the mumsnet admin and moderation team. Do they publish information on that?

Yes, people laugh in a slightly condescending way if I mention that I like Mumsnet - I suspect the word 'mum' in the title is responsible for the sneers. But that's a strength as well, because if MN really was to be sued people would react with horrified incomprehension at the nonsense of being sued for referring to a man as 'he', and the bullying would become apparent to a wider audience.

"Boo hoo hoo all those nasty transphobic bitches with their vagina fetishes who talk about periods upset the menz by calling them 'he' "

I don't think we would be told off for correctly gendering Huntley though. Thats why the rules are so confusing, because they are inconsitent. Mumsnet is deliberately enforcing special unique rules for a handful of specific people. Basically those people who might kick up a fuss on social media.

Here's a tip for Mumsnet - outside of these walls, for the most part people think this place is full of catty bitches arguing over nappies instead of doing some real work. Mums dont need to worry about our reputations because noone really thinks much of us anyway. Knowing that can be really liberating if you'll let it.

Aargh yes, I agree with all of you. “This is where “it’s just polite” gets us “ absolutely. I don’t see why women should be forced to lie, why ? We don’t owe any debt of politeness to these women-hating, raping, killing males. I don’t understand how on a website FOR MOTHERS we are forced to be “polite” about someone like Ian Huntley, or the numerous rapists and sex offenders who have now decided they are women. I don’t understand how on a website FOR WOMEN I should have to use the grammatically incorrect pronoun for a male person, when the maleness of that person is part and parcel of the reason that person is being discussed. The maleness is key in the behaviour and attitudes of that person, and in the way they are treated .
I am really angry about this. I am angry that we are all being forced into a set of behaviours that may be seen as “polite” to the males we are talking about but certainly aren’t polite to women.
Trans activism has exposed a seam of loathing and jealousy of women that I was only half aware of. All those men so keen to pile in! All the dismissal of actual women with actual women’s bodies and lives.
And the way any trans people who transgress and support women’s rights are treated. The abuse someone like Miranda Yardley gets. Yet WE are the bigots for using a correct pronoun ? FTS .

Crossposted with LaSqrrl. I think it is really important we are disobedient in as many ways as we can be, and be as pointed or humourous as we can about it. When we do this, it highlights how silly or sinister the people stamping on us are being.

The problem here isn't male entitlement or narcissistic injury though, it's about Mumsnet forcing women to not speak if it might upset those things.

This is about Mumsnet wanting to have a nice lady reputation, and being prepared to censor and exclude women to make that happen.

Because I don't believe Madigan or Y's pals have a legal leg to stand on. I'd love to see that go to court. The case would recieve so much negative publicity for the TA side on every male dominated internet site - from blogs and forums to newspaper comments sections, even twitter and facebook. Peak transing of the like we have never seen yet.

Again it's instructive to look at the concept of "narcissistic injury".

For a significant proportion of these people, a woman saying no to them is an act of aggression.

Exactly right.