Ok, Amnesty International is straight up trolling women now

Just makes me think of pape le pew 💨

I am rather grateful for the skank comment. I have had a nice hour on YouTube watching Ska.

Must introduce you to old school ska-obsessed DH!

I am rather grateful for the skank comment. I have had a nice hour on YouTube watching Ska. Nostalgia bliss

In the post above I meant don't believe everything you read on Twitter. Silly me

(although why I'm bothering with someone who called us skanks on another thread I don't know - maybe my innate desire to want to be accurate in what I say)

huffsoy

With respect. Don't read everything you read on Twitter. We are allowed to use a lot more characters on here to express ourselves. I suggest you have a good read

I am Very Happy for a transwoman to speak about transwomen

Not happy for SF to speak about woman.

(Would love to know how many transwomen are happy for SF to speak about them)

I don't know what some people intend to achieve here. I often, on this very forum, say I would prefer not to have to throw old school transsexuals under the bus because the AGP/ladypenis brigade have got hold of the narrative and the political pull. But then along come ill-informed, rude, aggressive new posters telling me what I think and getting it all wrong... and, what do you know, suddenly all my sympathy withers away and I'm less inclined to worry about buses.

The law is simple it states that trans woman are woman and that's why there is the gender recognition act which most of you probably have not heard of
That’s hilarious. Not been on mumsnet much have you? The GRA is talked about all the time. The law is not “that simple” either as there are still single sex exemptions that can be invoked, and which do not include trans women.

some transwomen are a danger to women

transcrimeuk.com
"Documenting crimes committed by transgender individuals in the UK"

James Kirkup:
(extract)
"Transgender people suffer prejudice and harm. Like any other group, they include good people and bad, saints and sinners, those who want to shout from the rooftops about their identity and those who just want to live their lives and be left alone. As a group, they deserve much better from the law, from society, from politics.

But “better” should not come at the expense of others who also deserve an improved deal. Nor should it be based on anything less than a full, open and factual debate: laws and conventions arising from a chilled, restricted political and public conversation will be walls built on sand.

And right now, the debate about gender and the law is not full and open, not least because in their rush to speak for the rights and interests of one minority group, politicians, charities, bits of the media and other parts of civil society are ignoring the interests of another."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/the-silencing-of-the-lesbians/

huff some transwomen are a danger to women. Or are you denying they offend at the same rates as men?

And the women who quit mumsnet did so because biological facts were being deleted as 'hate speech'

I really think we need to do a FOI request on their funding.

I'd guess more than half their regular donors are female. How is it that they can now afford to lose our support? Where exactly is the money coming from to replace what they stand to lose?

huffsoy
One of the great features of this site is that you can read through threads in their entirety and so can understand both the context and views of posters.
I recommend having a read.

I think a transwoman speaking for transpeople at Amnesty would be absolutely fine and ought to happen.

A transwoman speaking for women is another matter.

@terfing I find this difficult to believe I've read posts from users who claim trans woman are a danger on mumsnet and there are a bunch of ladies on Twitter saying they left mumsnet because they didn't like trans people using the forum

Thread discussing some of the legal basis that I think Shon also raised in the Novaro Media interview:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Signed

Here you go

Link to thread discussing men's role in challenging violence, prostitution and exploitation of women & girls:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3254962-We-dont-buy-it

@huffsoy I think most people on these boards would not object to a trans women speaking at Amnesty. Trans people face unfair discrimination and harassment worldwide. This needs to be stopped and feminists are shoulder-to-shoulder with trans women on this matter.

However, having a known misogynist (Shon) was not acceptable. It is Shon's misogyny that is offensive, not the fact that Shon is a trans women.

@terfing yes and some of you use this as an excuse to bring up the fact that she's trans and make it a trans issue

Do point to the proof that the woman concerned doesn't hold a grc

That's my direct debit cancelled immediately.

Great "empowering speech". Lots of reference to the "women making history" . Did SF actually mention any actual bog standard, no pre-fix needed women, or just transwomen?

Doesn't this speech highlight the erasure of women that we are all concerned with?

Do point to the law which says that men without a GRC are women @huffsoy. Thanks so much

Hi @huffsoy, welcome to Mumsnet

Most people here are aware of the GRA and other laws in this area. However some of us have various concerns about the negative effects of self-id.

Moreover, Shon specifically has made numerous misogynistic comments that many users here have taken offense to. I'm sure they will be easy to find with a quick Google search. This was why many people were against Shon speaking at Amnesty, not because they're a trans women.