Transphobia or truths?

Wasn't it Swim England who said that some women have penises and if you are uncomfortable seeing them in the female changing room, you need to think again?

Yes. It was also Swim England who said that some men have breasts and should behave modestly by keeping them covered up in men's changing rooms.

Women, shut up, know your place and let us do what we want - signed, abusive men.

Spontaneous I know you think you're helping but your pals on here are willing you to shut up! Unapologetic transphobia like yours doesn't make the rad fems look great.

Let's get this straight. If a man with a penis, who is attracted to women, goes into a female changing room and shows his penis, it's indecent exposure and punishable as a crime.

If that man identifies as a woman, it's fine. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to shut up/be re-educated/be removed.

Transphobia versus truth.

Tricky, isn't it? Because truth becomes transphobia with the simple addition of a man telling you so.

Get a bit of sun and out they come. Whoosh.

Troll Thursday comes before Man Friday?

Blimey, what's with the TRA's and handmaidens out today?

Wasn't it Swim England who said that some women have penises and if you are uncomfortable seeing them in the female changing room, you need to think again?

In the Trans Inclusion Toolkit for schools discussed in Tuesday's Guardian the example situation and guidance is given:
"My daughter doesn’t want a boy changing next to her,
what if he looks at her body?
For example, in this scenario it would not be appropriate to remove the trans person from the changing rooms if a concern is raised by a parent or carer. In this situation, it would be far more appropriate to look at offering an alternative changing arrangement for the child who feels uncomfortable around the trans person."

Also the TRA whose tweet someone posted upthread about how he felt shy about showing his penis in the women's changing room but liked it being touched.

Wasn't it Swim England who said that some women have penises and if you are uncomfortable seeing them in the female changing room, you need to think again?

Yes, Stonewall wrote that guidance for them. You need to be educated out of your "phobia", and the poor staff are expected to do that!

Wasn't it Swim England who said that some women have penises and if you are uncomfortable seeing them in the female changing room, you need to think again?

If I say that I don't want my daughter in a women's changing room to see a person expose their penis in front of her, is that transphobic?

No.

What on earth makes you think it might be?

I'd like the reassurance that women's spaces will be protected. Because that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Picassospaintbrush
"incite hatred of trans people because of their congenital condition"
Congenital?
Congenital = a condition that someone is born with
www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/congenital

Tinkletinklelittlebat
Gawd this place is knee deep in straw dollies this morning.
Not surprising, really... the original post was a straw dolly intended keep Mumsnet's pot of transphobia on a rolling boil.

"incite hatred of trans people because of their congenital condition"

Congenital?

JoanSummers
I'm here to listen to intelligent women discussing women's liberation and what threatens it.

Then you're on the wrong thread!

GladAllOver
If I say that I don't want my daughter in a women's changing room to see a person expose their penis in front of her, is that transphobic?

No.

What on earth makes you think it might be?

If people keep flailing the dollies around like this the straw is going to get up someone's nose.

I can smell desparation.

daim
Please stop wasting my time by addressing me directly - your questions are not based on anything I have said and your arguments are non existent. I'm here to listen to intelligent women discussing women's liberation and what threatens it. Not to answer to the demands of fools.

If you can't come up with something worth paying attention to, don't expect to get any more from me.

Gawd this place is knee deep in straw dollies this morning.

When interacting with narcissists who cannot conceive of any other interests than their own, it is always worth remembering that any accusation they throw at you about your behaviour is actually an admission about their own behaviour.

Indeed.

MIdgebabe
every police force in the uk considers transphobia a hate crime like racism. Only one considers misogyny.
Almost any crime may be treated as a hate crime if it is motivated by hatred of someone with one of the protected characteristics, but "transphobia" (or inciting transphobia) is not a crime. Yet.

A things stand at present, it is not a criminal offence to incite hatred of trans people because of their congenital condition, but it is a criminal offence to incite hatred of people who make a personal choice to believe that the universe was created by a magical being who (according to them) said “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
and that:-
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Older women ... are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord
Plenty more where those came from!

What I find completely bizarre is that some so-called "feminists" have joined forces with organisations that promote these views because they share a common hatred of trans people! It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
If someone can explain it to me, I would be genuinely grateful.
(similarly, I would love to know why the TERFs have chosen to join forces with the alt-right bastions of toxic masculinity)