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Transphobia or truths?

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TwittleBee · 11/05/2018 22:08

Hi there!

First, apologise if this has been really over discussed already.

I'm pretty new to the whole self ID and trans issues and pretty shocked to discover I'm probably classed as a "Radical" feminist.

How comes it's seen as transphobia when women talk about women's rights or sex or gender?

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I haven't seen anything i would class as transphobic on MN yet? Just a lot of feminists discussing their concerns for women and girls' rights?

Looking for answers so I can see both points of view but also so I can attempt to understand what is going on here.

Thanks x

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Noqonterfy · 18/05/2018 00:55

Therefore a fear of your fellow women is irrational

That is up there with one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard (imo). Utterly ridiculous.

Agrona · 18/05/2018 00:48

Sorry, I meant women’s brains.

Agrona · 18/05/2018 00:47

+women’s brains+. So tired of this factually incorrect nonsense. Various studies have proven there is little difference between male and female brains. Also very miffed at the posturing and patronising verbiage that repeats the same arguments which have been refuted so many times.

Picassospaintbrush · 18/05/2018 00:45

Women's liberation exists to resist and throw off the demands of men. This particular part of the struggle is to throw off the demands of trans identifying males. This is not going to change to please you.

thebewilderness · 18/05/2018 00:40

By "material reality" I presume you are referring your belief that women's brains are irrelevant, and that women should be defined solely as egg producers. That's not a belief that I am prepared accept... but I think you are very brave to suggest it on a feminist forum.

Thank you for the further demonstration on the off chance anyone missed your earlier displays.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 18/05/2018 00:33

Here's the thing. Feminism is a political movement which understands that the oppression of women is rooted in their biology; in patriarchal control of women's sexuality and reproductive capacity.

If you refuse to believe in biology and are unwilling to confront the reality of sex-based oppression, you cannot be a feminist, or a feminist ally.

The comment that transwomen will support women in their fight against male violence if they choose to engage is telling. Women and men are already engaged in a vast struggle against male violence. Should you wish to join the struggle you have only to pick a cause and front up.

Or, if, as you say, male violence against transwomen is a different strand, start your own cause. The expectation that women should do your work for you, while women are being persecuted for not being willing to deny their biological reality, and at the same time pushing to remove women's hard-won spaces, smells like the patriarchy to me.