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The erasure of lesbians by the transcult - 'How to have lesbian sex with a transwoman' NSFW

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OrchidInTheSun · 11/05/2018 09:48

This is an article explaining (graphically!) how a lesbian should have sex with a person with a penis. So a man.

www.autostraddle.com/how-to-have-trans-woman-lesbian-sex-with-a-penis-414839/amp/

This is part of a series called Lesbian Sex 101: "Employment of the term “lesbian sex” in this post uses “lesbian” as an adjective to describe sex between two women or people who identify with that experience, regardless of the sexual orientation of the two people involved."

So basically, emphatically not lesbian sex, given that lesbian sex is sex between two biological women who don't have penises.

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OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2018 11:05

That's not how human sexuality works GladAllOver. If you're a lesbian, you're a lesbian. No amount of liking someone is going to make you find a cock and balls sexually exciting

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Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 10:49

agree with the previous poster surely the best fit for a lesbian TIM is another lesbian TIM?

Many such accounts I have read say that "triggers their dysphoria".

GladAllOver · 12/05/2018 10:38

But why the obsession with titles?

Person A has sex with Person B. They don't need labels of what sex they are or what preference they have. They find someone they like and who likes them, and just get on with pleasing each other.

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 21:45

In my experience a soft penis is a sign that the man who drank too much is about to be the angry drunk raging at me for the next hour until his narcissistic rage exhaust him. ymmv

ohfortuna · 11/05/2018 21:40

I agree with the previous poster surely the best fit for a lesbian TIM is another lesbian TIM?

FusionChefGeoff · 11/05/2018 21:39

I tried to read that and gave up on the mental gymnastics required to try to follow the narrative.

WTF would a lesbian want sex involving a penis??!!

Bi-sexual, yes, I get that. But lesbian?!?

Surely this is an angle that will peak trans a whole bunch of liberal people - as it is so blatantly homophobic??

God this gets more incredible (literal sense) every time I return to the debate.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:38

Like stuffing a marshmallow in a money box

I love you THIS MUCH!

But yeah, if medication (in which hormones are included in this case) causes erectile dysfunction then I'm not sure that any PR campaign is going to be able to overcome that problem, given that people who don't like penises in a sexual sense still don't like them if they're no longer fully functional, and people who do like penises are going to be disappointed if they can't get hard. Saying "I know you don't like penises, but mine doesn't work any more so it's all good, right?" isn't exactly up there with the greatest marketing campaigns of all time.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/05/2018 21:34

I'm heterosexual and a soft penis is next to useless

Like stuffing a marshmallow in a money box

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:32

I'm bisexual and soft penises aren't sexy to me, so I can't imagine why they would be to a person who doesn't like penises at all.

AncientLights · 11/05/2018 21:31

'Soft penises are sexy'. No they are not. Less threatening for sure, but still ( I'd imagine) totally unenticing to a lesbian. Beyond parody.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:20

Or is the position just that women have to have relationships and sex with whomever they are told to?

That seems to pretty much sum things up. Women are not sexual actors, we exist to be acted upon and how very dare we have preferences and boundaries?

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 21:17

In 2004 the trans umbrella was introduced by transgender advocates to cover LGBT. The LGB said no, thanks anyway, and as we can all clearly see by the gender spectrum being taught in school that includes much more than just the LGBT their wishes were disregarded.
Why? Because after the marriage discrimination laws were repealed there was a void in LGBT communities which transgender identified males and homophobic Enbys(non binary) rushed to fill.
And here we are.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/05/2018 21:14

I believe spouses had a veto on legal transitioning, as they would then find themselves in a same sex marriage

I thought TRAs wanted this removed. So that a person married to someone who transitioned wouldn't get automatic right to annul. And if that's the case, I really don't understand how those two positions are compatible:

  1. That a straight woman cannot automatically annul her marriage to someone she married as a man, who transitions.
  1. That a lesbian has to have sex with someone with a penis because it's all about identification.

Or is the position just that women have to have relationships and sex with whomever they are told to? Or was the straight women always a lesbian because her husband was always a woman? My head hurts.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:00

Sex in which the female partner gets anything out of it also seems to be transphobic, based on the article.

TERFragetteCity · 11/05/2018 13:58

How am I getting ads for anusol at the top of the page?

Advertising is obviously transphobic.

mantlepiece · 11/05/2018 13:43

I haven’t heard anything yet about what kind of sexual activity trans men like. Would any of them like to engage with trans women?

Trans women must have been having sexual activity with people before the subject of trans becoming a political football, does anyone know who with? It seems a bit strange for them suddenly demanding to have sex with lesbians.

picklemepopcorn · 11/05/2018 13:38

Bleach bleach, someone pass the bleach! Only got a paragraph down, jerking soured my stomach. I'll look later when I'm feeling stronger.

HotRocker · 11/05/2018 13:35

It’s the desire for ultimate control and power. Men have been fetishising lesbians and trying to get access to their bodys’ for ever, but the very nature of lesbianism excludes them and they see this as an affront to thier Power. A trans-woman who gets into a bed with a lesbian can then say
‘look what a proper excepted woman I am,’ they can also say,
‘look men, I’m not even what you would accept as a real man but I have got access to the place where you are denied.’
Obviously not all trans-women, but the few narcissistic insecure morons out there who pedal this cotton ceiling nonsense. It’s affirmation of power and control, that’s why you don’t see any of this nonsense aimed at women who are already willing to have sex with penis owning people.

OrchidInTheSun · 11/05/2018 13:32

I think that's the conclusion Infinite. In fact there was a heterosexual couple celebrating Lesbian Visibility Day recently and who were most put out that Twitter was pointing out that the bloke identifying as a woman didn't actually make them a lesbian couple Hmm

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LaSqrrl · 11/05/2018 13:29

I have nothing much more to add other than

Why do these 'lesbians' sound like every other dude with a penis?

When a big part of your 'activism' is penis-centric, then, I dunno, maybe it is just male sexual domination and not really activism??? Our 'cotton panties' really are NOT the 'final frontier' dudes. Go away, leave lesbians alone.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/05/2018 13:29

Jokes were made by the group i should point out...

ReluctantCamper · 11/05/2018 13:29

Yup InfiniteSheldon, that's why I believe spouses had a veto on legal transitioning, as they would then find themselves in a same sex marriage, which back in the days when the GRA was written wasn't a thing.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/05/2018 13:29

infinite

friend of my dad is a transwomen

When a group of them got together with said transwoman and wife lots of jokes were made about the wife being a lesbian now

Id have smacked them round the back of the head...

InfiniteSheldon · 11/05/2018 13:25

So I'm a straight woman having intercourse with my DH, said DH transitions and I am now a lesbian?

TerfsUp · 11/05/2018 13:22

I am glad that, as a heterosexual woman, I am not pressured to have 'lesbian' sex with a transwoman.