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Review of the I am Jazz Book by a Doctor

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DarthArts · 10/05/2018 20:22

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/

Well worth a read.

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Voice0fReason · 12/05/2018 20:32

On the clips I've seen of Jazz's show, she looks quite upbeat and happy.
Don't be fooled by clips, she has suffered from depression for a very long time.

DarthArts · 12/05/2018 03:07

What troubles me is that this book is being touted as an appropriate introduction to the gender debate to children in kindergarten.

I'm worried that we are seeing "fairytales" becoming not part of storytelling but educational experience.

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thebewilderness · 12/05/2018 01:48

When the child was coming out of anesthesia they were interrupted to be told they were being filmed.
That should have been the moment that everyone watching realized that Jazz was performing. That there was nothing real about this or any reality teevee show.

Terfing · 12/05/2018 01:40

On the clips I've seen of Jazz's show, she looks quite upbeat and happy. I think she's still too young to process what her parents have done to her and how unnecessarily hard her life will be as a result. I truly hope that she stays happy, despite everything.

Voice0fReason · 11/05/2018 23:48

Jazz's story really troubles me.
That was a very interesting read.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 22:29

I’m sure someone wins out of Jazz. Just not Jazz.

Agreed. As frustrating as some statements from Jazz have been Jazz is ultimately a child whose parents have allowed them to be put on a path that will ultimately be harmful to them. Even if you're on board with childhood transition there's a long history of child stars going off the rails in their teens/young adulthood, so to put a kid in that situation with the gender stuff as an added pressure is incredibly irresponsible.

spontaneousgiventime · 11/05/2018 20:57

I’m sure someone wins out of Jazz. Just not Jazz.

Of that I have no doubt!

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 20:57

Doctors are very reluctant to diagnose Munchausen syndrome by proxy in cases of transgender identifying children.

I have said before and I will say again that Lupron will be this generation of childrens thalidomide disaster.

OlennasWimple · 11/05/2018 20:49

I wish ten years ago someone got their arms around Jazz, removed them from their toxic family, and just said that it's OK to be an effeminate boy and there should never be any pressure on a child to provide financially for their family

pombal · 11/05/2018 20:09

Poor Jazz.

I can understand the parents thinking they are doing the right thing. Whether you agree with that is another matter.

But why put it all over the internet and on TV?
Random people all over the world now know about your 16 year olds micro penis.

Who does that?

Ereshkigal · 11/05/2018 19:02

There's another Youtube channel called Mass Resistance where a GP of 40 something years took apart the transgender fad and the shoddy non-scientific research of the transactivist orgs in an hour lecture. He was a religious person, but he still has decades of medical practice.

There was a thread about it quite recently.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 11/05/2018 18:43

I’m sure someone wins out of Jazz. Just not Jazz.

MrsWooster · 11/05/2018 18:31

DAILYMAIL
yes, this.

DailyMailClickbait · 11/05/2018 18:16

I feel very very sorry for Jazz. And also for all the children currently being run through a trans-treatment regime. I wonder how many of them are actually going to end up being diagnosed with genuine gender dysphoria, and how many of them are struggling with societal expectations of gender constructs but who, left alone, would come to an acceptance of themselves as they are.

I also feel very sorry for those who genuinely wish to transition. At some point there is going to be an awakening and a backlash against the radical TRA agenda - which will make the lives of genuinely trans people even harder.

That's what is so fucking sad about this whole mess; nobody wins.

HouseMouseQueen · 11/05/2018 18:03

I honestly don't care if it's associated with a right wing think tank since they're the only groups doing any serious thinking on this issue and openly expressing it.

There's another Youtube channel called Mass Resistance where a GP of 40 something years took apart the transgender fad and the shoddy non-scientific research of the transactivist orgs in an hour lecture. He was a religious person, but he still has decades of medical practice.

Urbanbeetler · 11/05/2018 16:51

I have mixed feelings because although it sounds terrifying it isn’t my experience so how do I know if it isn’t ever the right thing?

Coyoacan · 11/05/2018 14:10

He links to risks of substance abuse as an omission, only very grudgingly admitting that this doesn’t apply to Jazz who has shown no signs of it - why then should it be included in the autobiography of this child?

But the book is not just an autobiography though, it a children's book aimed at informing very young children that this is a simple option available to them.

But I find it astounding that anyone could read that article and still say "I have mixed feelings about childhood transition".

I feel sorry for all the children going through this, but my heart breaks for poor Jazz, whose destruction is being filmed for family entertainment

Flomper · 11/05/2018 07:13

Poor Jazz, was my main thought after reading this. Very factual, whatever any political leanings. God poor Jazz. Forever stuck in some brief, normal childhood window of wanting to be the opposite gender (a normal phase many, myself included go through), with no experience or possible experience of the adult world of sexual expression, infertile and with ill health stacking up inside. How can anyone have done that to their child just to be seen as "right on"? (or becasue they couldn't just let Jazz be a gay male?). Disturbing.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 11/05/2018 07:04

I read the drag thing differently. It is unusual to take a 16yo there for a birthday - I doubt many British teenagers go to drag clubs with their parents to mark a birthday however recognised drag is here. And there's a million miles between a Soho drag club and the sort of anodyne stuff one sees on British family TV.
But I think it's inexplicable they'd take Jazz there because drag is expressly about men dressing as women - put it on, take it off. That seems the polar opposite of what Jazz and Jazz's family give the impression they think Jazz is doing.
You may be right and he was sneering because he's a US conservative and drag = sin and filth. I just read him as saying - this is an odd choice of venue for Jazz's family birthday celebrations, with which I would agree.

Urbanbeetler · 11/05/2018 06:08

He can’t help but show his obvious bias though - it is a flawed article whatever you viewpoint is regarding the transition in childhood debate. He is openly judgemental about Jazz’s trip to the drag club - drag being something which has always been strong across British family TV.

He links to risks of substance abuse as an omission, only very grudgingly admitting that this doesn’t apply to Jazz who has shown no signs of it - why then should it be included in the autobiography of this child?

I have mixed feelings about childhood transition but I can clearly see this is from the hand of someone who very likely feels the same way about gay teens- with a host of his own prejudices overlying his science.

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 05:02

@Coyoacan

Somewhat simplistic but lefty d00dbros view women as public property while righty dudes view women as private property.

Coyoacan · 11/05/2018 03:56

I find I increasingly do not know what left and right mean anymore. If this man's compassion for Jazz is right-wing then I must be right-wing.

Terfing · 11/05/2018 02:11

Poor child Sad

And sadly, this is far from over, and we have learned nothing from it.

How could someone do that to their baby?

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 01:57

And the Feminists on MN.

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 01:56

It reflects badly on those who consider themselves liberal or leftys or journalists that the only people willing to express concern for children being abused are the conservatives.

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