Questions from a liberal feminist to the rad fems

You literally said you dismiss people's concerns.

Again, your selection of quotes is frankly bizarre Ereshkigal. If those are examples of women on the thread presenting their concerns and me handwaving them away, well I can't even...

i rather wonder in what capacity you're posting them?

? What is that supposed to mean?

You obviously have a very different idea of what constitutes "dismissing women's concerns" than other people on this thread and others then.

Rat, I think you (and super match) are being very calm and reasoned!

Lol all the people who agree with me are right

And if the interviewer feels they need to know, perhaps for the sake of their other employees, then undoubtedly they've run that past the "proportionate means to a legitimate end" clause of the EA, and can ask. Because otherwise I'm pretty sure it's illegal under discrimination law, isn't it?

So for me it's a question I really wish we'd all stop asking to be honest because it just makes everybody angry and I'm not even sure it matters to the practical result.

I'm on the app, so cant refer to the questions, but I have been a radical feminist since I was a teenager, simply because I believe that women can never achieve liberation or even equality in a society built for and revolving around the rights of men.

This is separate to the fact that I am gender critical and believe sex dysphoria to be a distressing mental illness, not evidence of a "gendered soul". Gender is one of the methods used to keep society revolving around men and transition is used to purge the unworthy from the ruling class.

Both of which are different to my belief that vulnerable women should be protected, they shouldn't have to ask for female only spaces or health care practitioners. This should be provided as standard, if you are vulnerable even questioning the provision provided would be too much.

My sister was given a male social worker, she had no idea what she said, or agreed with because she was so focused on not upsetting him that she wasn't thinking straight. Thankfully, he noticed and arranged for her to enter a women only programme and transferred her case, but my sister's history should have meant that a man never came near her in the first place.

Why can't we, just for once, put ourselves first and say "This is ours, we fought for it, paid for it and some of us died for it. Fuck off and get your own space"

Although I'm honestly unsuprised that society is coming at this issue from a "what about the poor menz?" persepective, it comes back to the first point. Society is designed around men, if they want something, women must fall over themselves to facilitate that.

Ereshkigal the suggestion was that there were women on this thread who's concerns I had dismissed; I have reread all of my posts and not once have I done that. I haven't done that in any of the quotes you have posted either; i rather wonder in what capacity you're posting them?

Oh, ta FarFrom. I won't say I always enjoy the debate, but I very much believe we need to have it.

@FarFrom

Rat, I think you (and super match)

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And anyone throwing DARVO around would do well to consider who's views hold the majority of the power on this site.

Why do you keep saying this like it is some sort of threat?

That’s why it’s so important for people to fight for more services for Male bodied people and lgbt+ services.

Male services and trans services. Lesbians are in with the other women.

I assure you, I dismiss the concerns of both men and women at least equally

Rat, I think you (and super match) are being very calm and reasoned!
Different opinions are said they are wanted but then when given you are accused of being a sealion(!) disengenuous, sometimes a man, friend with tras or a tra and now an arsehole!
And about the lack of empathy- calling a trans person ‘a man in a dress’ shows an extraordinary lack of empathy.

don't need single sex corridors that the toilets lead off, we don't need to know someone's born sex all the time so we can fear them - it's too far. It does women no good to suggest that that is what we need in Britain today.

Seriously though, can't be arsed, if anyone else wants to pick up the baton feel free.

Although I suppose there's a chance it could be me who's mistaken; do you have any examples?

Lol

I don't think at any time I said I was being attacked, unfairly or otherwise.

You implied it by mentioning the "balance of power" because most people on this thread and you said MN as a whole don't share your view. At least that is honest, you're not trying to pretend the gender critical view is the fringe one and everyone's on board the genderism train, unlike all your delightful TRA friends.

Oh, have we hit the sealioning portion of today's events? Sorry, no fish for you.

Other women in this thread whose fears you've handwaved away though?

Again, I think you're misremembering my input in this thread. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? Although I suppose there's a chance it could be me who's mistaken; do you have any examples?

Nah, not me. Other women in this thread whose fears you've handwaved away though? Yeah.

Also note that I never used that word (and wouldn't - I know a lot of other Brits throw it around with merry abandon but it's too gendered an insult for my liking).

What a roundabout way of telling me you think I'm a cunt

No, a direct way of saying she thinks you're an arsehole

but pretending that you're being unfairly attacked by everyone when you're just being disagreed with

I don't think at any time I said I was being attacked, unfairly or otherwise. You said DARVO. That rather implies that you considered yourself the Victim and me the Offender, does it not?

Dismissing women's concerns about privacy and safety, otoh, falls more under "being an arsehole", which to be fair has been the majority of your input on this thread.

What a roundabout way of telling me you think I'm a cunt Not new information to me, but thanks all the same.

Of course not, but pretending that you're being unfairly attacked by everyone when you're just being disagreed with? Yep, DARVO of a rather clumsy and unconvincing sort. As is trying to frame women who want privacy when going to the toilet, changing etc as oppressing the male humans who'd very much like to do so with them.

Dismissing women's concerns about privacy and safety, otoh, falls more under "being an arsehole", which to be fair has been the majority of your input on this thread.

Let's remember again that it wasn't me who called DARVO.

Having unpopular opinions on a forum where nobody is actually making you comment is not like being an abuse victim.

Nope, it really isn't.

Do you think someone disagreeing with your opinion on a forum is like being an abuse victim?