Questions from a liberal feminist to the rad fems

Yes it was. But that poster has an agenda to push.

Unlike yourself.

daim

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Dunno...3rd space?
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I would support him to be himself

Im a feminist...im probably more rad than lib ( going by those online test thingies)

Here are my answers and I do consider myself a radical feminist who lives in the material/physical world where my sex class is oppressed because of it.

Are you saying the current Gender Recognition Act should be repealed?

I think all gender identity laws that trump sex based protections (and they usually do) need to be repealed.

If so, are you suggesting withdrawing hormones from those who have already transitioned?

I don't understand why you are asking this question.

Do you think a fully transitioned trans woman with a GRC to ‘prove’ she is a woman (eg Nadia from Big Brother) should use the men’s loos and be in a male prison / care home / hostel?

I think he should lobby for his own loo and not intrude on female spaces. Men's feelings should never trump women's rights to sex based spaces.

Do you think TRAs who say things on Twitter like ‘suck my ladydick’ and 'enjoy your erasure' are representative of transgender people as a whole?

Don't know and don't care. I care about women's and girls sex based protections because we fought for them and we need them. We don't live in a world where we DON'T need them.

Do you feel transgender people threaten your safety and well-being as a woman? If so what personal experiences (not what you have read on Mumsnet / Twitter / Reddit) have made you reach this conclusion?

Men should never be allowed into female only space. Feminism is by, for, and about women, not men. So, I don't care that men like this exist. I care that they are changing laws to eliminate women's and girl's rights. It's a common theme to hear these men saying radical feminists want to end their existence, which is hyperbole. We just want to retain our sex based rights.

Do you think current exceptions in the Equality Act (eg it is legal to exclude trans women from competitive spots and certain job roles such as rape crisis counselling) are sufficient to protect women? www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination

No, because if the State recognizes gender identity as a protected characteristic, then it will clash with sex. We see that it has done precisely that.

If your male child repeatedly told you they were female from the age of three, wore dresses, played with girls etc and were very distressed at the thought of male puberty, how would you help them?

I would let him wear what he wanted and do what he wanted. This doesn't make him female. It makes him human. I wouldn't drag him to a gender clinic and sterilize him. We know that there's no long term research on what these drugs do to children and the evidence we do have points to harming them long term.

Just like other women could tell me I was responsible for my rape and domestic abuse and to get over it.

Isn't it?

Well - you know women and our pesky boundaries have to be got around some how.

Ah ok, because you're a women you can tell other women they cannot/should not have privacy.

Interesting that on one hand Rat says that women should accept unisex toilets and enforced lack of privacy regarding periods etc but that transgender people should be able to hide their biological identity.

Isn't it?

I mean I've survived an eating disorder which nearly killed me. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud as fuck of myself,

So you overcame your body dysphoria without making a lifelong 'transition' to anything. You came back to reality and to health.

but there is no way my mental health could support being confronted by that all.the.time,

Of course, a dark period in your life.

In the right situation I'll talk about it, but would I want my employer to know? God, no! Plus it was years ago.

It is an episode you no longer live, it has passed, there is no one who needs to know. However people who 'trans' are still living it, it is not in the past. In order to live honestly in the world it is important to be open about it so that other people can make appropriate adjustments to their behaviour and put up appropriate boundaries.

Others may feel differently; others may be the types to be ambassadors for that experience. Not me.

I agree that people don't need to be ambassadors, but they should aspire to living an authentic, honest life, not a deceptive, dishonest one. Other people could be traumatised by being deceived, so it is incumbent upon them to be open and honest.

Assassinated if you were transgender and talking to your fellow transpeople about how best to enact change for the good of your community, that might be a valid statement.

And if I were a man telling women how I thought they should deal with their periods, I'd be doing what you were doing in your first response to me, saying trans people should fly the flag.

No, they should definitely not hide away and be private. How will transgender rights ever make progress if people hide away and keep things private like this?

(Btw, I'm not actually being serious with this, you can probably tell).

Not helpful. But I now ID as a rad feminist

Shouldn't people who've changed genders be open and proud about their identity? If they hide it away and want to be private about it, it doesn't help everyone understand and become more tolerant of transgender people.

Right, now to try to remember the reply I was writing to this before my phone died!

So yeah, they're just people Assassinated, they're not responsible for flying the flag for their community. And if their community want to encourage them to do that, well that's on them, but surely it's not for us as outsiders to impose of them the correct way to live with that experience?

For a lot of them their transition will have been very emotional, often very medical, very intimate and from what I can gather a good many transpeople don't want to open that box again once it's shut. And I think I understand.

I mean I've survived an eating disorder which nearly killed me. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud as fuck of myself, but there is no way my mental health could support being confronted by that all.the.time, even in situations when it absolutely did not matter to anyone at all. In the right situation I'll talk about it, but would I want my employer to know? God, no! Plus it was years ago. Others may feel differently; others may be the types to be ambassadors for that experience. Not me.

I'm defo a rad feminist

you cannot possibly think that we have a right to know someone's gender reassignment status all the bloody time, such as when they're stacking shelves in Tesco, can you?

Knowing someone sex is relevant in many situations and could even be when stacking shelves in Tesco. For example, their co-workers might not want to share changing/toilet facilities with someone of their sex.

Interesting that on one hand Rat says that women should accept unisex toilets and enforced lack of privacy regarding periods etc but that transgender people should be able to hide their biological identity.

Actually Elle I'd just written exactly that of myself, saying that I had changed my opinion somewhat because of that exact apparent hypocrisy. Then my phone died.

Of course the difference is that one is me as a woman discussing with other women how we should present our own reality, and the other is seeking to impose it on a group outside of one's own... so I say my view is only somewhat changed. But changed it is.

"Do you feel transgender people threaten your safety and well-being as a woman?"

I think men in general do. Strange men for sure, if I'm walking home alone at night, I have my guard up for odd men, other women are often a welcome sight if it's foggy or silent and eerie or whatever. But then they say now the men you know are the ones to watch, more women are raped by men they know than otherwise.

It follows men dressed as women, unless gay (and they could say they are when they aren't), pose the same risks. Too many men with autogynephilia and similar fetish driven motives, are being put in the same category as gay men with body dysmorphia, or those who just get on with it and use the disabled toilet where possible/ are law abidding so will never go to jail etc.

It is dishonest to knowingly deceive people.

Really struggling to keep my cool with this one; are you familiar with the concept of a right to a private life? It's a human right - are you familiar with those? - and it's upheld by the ECHR.

Knowing someone's sex is a matter of concern for a number of reasons. One should not have the privacy to keep that to oneself in all situations - otherwise others who it concerns, are denied the opportunity to put up appropriate personal boundaries to keep one out.

Well, er, yeah. We have the Equality Act for those situations when it matters. You may not think it goes far enough, whatever, but you cannot possibly think that we have a right to know someone's gender reassignment status all the bloody time, such as when they're stacking shelves in Tesco, can you?

Interesting that on one hand Rat says that women should accept unisex toilets and enforced lack of privacy regarding periods etc but that transgender people should be able to hide their biological identity.

Why then can’t women hide their biological reality? That is also a right to a private life isn’t it?

Knowing someone's sex is a matter of concern for a number of reasons. One should not have the privacy to keep that to oneself in all situations - otherwise others who it concerns, are denied the opportunity to put up appropriate personal boundaries to keep one out.

Agree. I don't think it should be a right.

I don't think there's any evidence of a medical condition where you can't function because you're not being recognised as a different age to what you are.

No. Not yet anyway. Watch this space!

But there is one where you believe you are made of glass.

WTAF? I have NEVER, EVER seen any feminist, radical or otherwise, suggest this.

No, it's an utterly bizarre thing to ask. Posters who believe trans identified males are men respect their autonomy over their own bodies, and there is no reason why they wouldn't.

You should be able to keep that deeply personal - often medical - information to yourself.

It is dishonest to knowingly deceive people.

Knowing someone's sex is a matter of concern for a number of reasons. One should not have the privacy to keep that to oneself in all situations - otherwise others who it concerns, are denied the opportunity to put up appropriate personal boundaries to keep one out.

No. But I think transactivism has an internal culture that excuses and sometimes encourages this behaviour and that they need to get their house in order.

See the person on this thread first denying that it happens and when proved wrong handwaving it away.

No, I mean as in mixed sex which is blindingly obvious from the context

Yes it was. But that poster has an agenda to push.

It’s the fact that some people are saying trans is not a thing, it’s a mental illness, they are all deluded men etc. THAT is denying their existence because that is not how they perceive themselves.

Yes, so their hyperbole.