Questions from a liberal feminist to the rad fems

Although to be fair i may well have missed posts where you have said that only people who are medically diagnosed are transpeople

(Which again could be construed by some as transphobic)

Can you stop insinuating that everyone on here is pissed super

Its bloody ignorant

And this is the first time i have ever heard you say that people have to be medically diagnosed

The vast majority of people on here have been talking about medically diagnosed people

It's pretty much always the right time for some fruit, imo.

Fab. Enjoy. I'm having a nice clementine for a quick snack.

My cup of coffee is delicious, btw.

It's not about what a person says. It's about what they are medically diagnosed with.

Really? I have misunderstood your position SMG.

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

Ok, I guessed that wrong then.

I'm pretty sure I've never told anyone to fuck off on this forum, actually, speaking of putting words in people's mouths...

Why is it that if Supermatch thinks someone isn't genuine then obviously they're not genuine, but if the prisoners in the article think someone is not genuine they must be wrong (and probably bigoted)?

SuperMatchGame

The article continues, quoting a source:
"You can be as tolerant as you like but there comes a time when it is too much.
Many of the lassies think they are at it.
It is not a good thing to say about transgender people.
But they seem to be milking the system for a cushier time of it.
For genuine transgender prisoners in the system this is totally undermining.
Physically they are still men but they are dressed as women. A lot of prisoners just don’t get it.
Alex has always said that her preference is men. But she did say she would consider going with a woman and it looks like Eastwood has fitted the bill."

Both Sophie ("previously dubbed “Hannibal Lecter Jnr” over the chilling intimidation of a female guard") and Alex have been convicted of murder.

Do you think if the proposed changes to the GRA are implemented, the 'very real issues' you acknowledge 'when some male-born people are able to access what are single sex (female) spaces' are likely to increase, stay the same or have no effect?

Sorry

Cross post

Im such a slow typer!!!

No. And if he does go in a female prison, I'll peak trans

You say that like its a threat super

So if someone says they are a woman but i think they are a man then I'm transphobic

But if someone YOU dont like says they are a woman but you say they are a man then thats NOT transphobic

Have i got that right

I am honestly not trying to be snide...ive got no idea whether that pond scum is a transwomen or not

If it's just "this person isn't to be believed because I think they're a terrible person", well, I think Jane Fae is a terrible person, so does that mean I get to disregard Fae's gender identification?

why is Huntley not a woman?

Because we've no evidence he is saying he is, or even applied for gender treatment. The media reported he was wearing a wig and using a female name. They also reported that he's likely trying to either get a transfer or preferential treatment.
And it's not just what the individual says, it's what the mental health professionals say during assessments over a period of time as part of a process (as you know). As far as we know he hasn't even done anything like that and I don't believe he will.

but why isn't it transphobia not to believe Ian Huntley (we're all 'dead naming' him btw, I believe he has selected a new, female name)?

it's transphobic not to believe Jane Fae.

It's transphobic not to believe Shon Fay.

It's transphobic not to believe Paris Lees.

I'm not likening any of them to Huntley. But, presumably if he has come to a considered decision that he is, actually a woman, why can we disregard his decision process but must take others seriously?

Is that not transphobia?

No. And if he does go in a female prison, I'll peak trans.

Oops weaponising pedophilia (and murder) again.

Paedophilia and murder are already pretty fucking weaponised from where I’m standing.

If people are the gender they say they are then why is Huntley not a woman? I mean, I don't think he is, but if you generally support the idea that only the individual can know their own gender and we should believe them when they say what it is then how do you justify making Huntley an exception?

Yes, sounds sensible [that individuals are assessed on a case by case basis] given that not all transgender prisoners have committed sex crimes or are a risk.

Why do women have to have them in their area, though? Why can they not be in a safe area of the men's prisons? I just don't understand the thinking, that if a man feels something, it's up to women to make him feel safe. It's up to the prison authorities to make him feel safe, and to keep women safe.

And that horror is not a woman

Is that not transphobia?

SupermatchGame
Yes I acknowledge there are very real issues when some male-born people are able to access what are single sex (female) spaces.
Yes, sounds sensible [that individuals are assessed on a case by case basis] given that not all transgender prisoners have committed sex crimes or are a risk.

& yet significant issues have been demonstrated recently using what you believe are sensible assessments by the prison service.

(& to repeat my point)
I would anticipate that the prison service would have more information available to them (by way of pre-sentence reports, risk assessments, time and resources etc) than a women's refuge.

And that horror is not a woman.

Not even if he says he is? Your time would be better protesting Stonewall's definition of transgender and what all your lovely TRA friends think than arguing with MN feminist women.