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Germaine Greer Fan Club

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DJLippy · 09/05/2018 12:16

Is anyone else annoyed with Germaine Greers banishment to the naughty corner? She's a living icon and she's just not appreciated properly. It's a real shame the way she is no-platformed and vilified - just because she says women don't have penis'.

I wanted to share some Germaine Greer links that I love. I'm a massive fan and I'm pretty sure a lot of you guys are as well. If you could share your own links, messages, thoughts that would be awesome.

The Female Eunuch
seminariolecturasfeministas.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/germaine-greer-the-female-eunuch.pdf

The War if the Sexes. 1993 Panel show with Caitlin Moran, Janet Street Porter & Suzanne Moore. This explains the backlash...

+Germaine Greer on Newsnight re transwomen*
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=403&v=7B8Q6D4a6TM

Has the #MeToo movement gone too far? With Sophie Walker & Melanie Phillips

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DJLippy · 09/05/2018 20:50

@FermatsTheorem lovely digression. If you haven't already got a copy I posted a link to the PDF of Female Eunuch at the top - if anyone is watching and has never read it - check it out. I thought it would be really difficult to read but it's not at all - it's a proper page turner! I was shocked how relevant it still is

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FermatsTheorem · 09/05/2018 20:08

Back on topic, I totally love Germaine Greer. The Female Eunuch was the first feminist book I read (as a teen). Which reminds me, I must re-read Sex and Destiny because I think as a stupid twenty something lib fem I totally misunderstood it, and I think I would get much more out of it now I've grown up (and had a child and collided head on with how society treats women in virtue of their biology and child-bearing capacity).

FermatsTheorem · 09/05/2018 20:06

Warning - major digression ahead, but there to explain why Channel 4 have form for totally misrepresenting people who've gone forward to be interviewed in good faith. They're not so much a broadcaster, more a shower of shite.

Melamin: I can't imagine anyone putting David Attenborough in this sort of position in a debate on Global Warming............ Not that this was a debate anyway - scripted set-up.

Actually, Channel 4 did exactly this, not to Attenborough, but to American climate scientist Carl Wunsch (who is a hugely brilliant scientist). Wunsch thought he was being interviewed by a reputable programme. He was careful to explain some of the science in detail - that in previous warming periods, the warming has preceded the rise in CO2 (warmer oceans mean dissolved CO2 is released into the atmosphere), but now we're seeing anthropogenic CO2 warm the oceans, which in turn leads to warmer oceans releasing CO2, giving rise to more warming in a runaway positive feedback loop.

The producer of the programme, Tony Durkin, then selectively edited it so that only the bit I've italicised appeared in the finished programme, making it look like Wunsch believed ocean warming due to random climate fluctuations was causing the rise in CO2 we're seeing at the moment.

In other words, the edit made Wunsch out to hold a position precisely opposite to the one he actually held.

It took ages for Wunsch to force an apology from Channel 4.

RealityHasALiberalBias · 09/05/2018 19:56

Love her so much. She’s far, far cleverer than almost anyone.

I love the not-so-subtle anecdotes about her in Clive James’s memoirs, where he gives her the pseudonym Romaine Rand.

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 19:52

Nobody is paying attention to her decade long Iraq protest. Note she always wears black in all public appearances. That's in solidarity with the women and children traumatised by US & UK bombing. She's so much more than a 'feminist'

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gendercritter · 09/05/2018 19:45

I got to hear her talk live once. I was in awe.

She was the first person who made me sit up and take note about the trans debate too. I thought she was being horrendously offensive at first and then I stepped back and went, hang on....

One of the many reasons I love her is she bought up a load of Australian bush a few years ago and got to work replanting native species etc. (There's an article about that here She's done so much good. Her intellect is just vast. I haven't watched the debate but am furious if she was treated badly. I don't agree with her on everything but she still makes me think.

Writersblock2 · 09/05/2018 19:39

Apologies if this has been posted but this one, wow. Her brain!!
m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=sVzYi4bRNwQ

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 19:30

You can't erase reality @terfulike

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Terfulike · 09/05/2018 19:28

Oh god were really going to be erased aren't weSad

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 19:19

Is it OK to stalk your hero?

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FrangipaniBlue · 09/05/2018 19:09

It's my claim to fame Grin

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 19:00

@FrangipaniBlue I am so jealous!
My mum and dad say they saw her a couple of years ago in their car and just sort of let on to each other.

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FrangipaniBlue · 09/05/2018 18:52

Just putting this out there.....

I HAVE MET GERMAINE GREER!

Very random and very surreal, she was directly behind me in a queue for the ladies toilets in an international airport. I was seriously jet lagged and star struck but we had a good old crack about nothing in particular and I was very dignified and didn't let on that I'd cottoned on who she was......

I kick myself every day that I didn't ask for a bloody selfie Grin

averylongtimeasSpartacus · 09/05/2018 18:12

I read the Female Eunuch when I was 15, more than 40 years ago.
My mum recommended it, as did I to my dd.
It made dd and I so cross to see her treatment last night, especially by the presenter and that silly simpering girl, neither of whom are half as intelligent.Angry

PositivelyPERF · 09/05/2018 14:36

loveyouradvice, you just know that piece is going to be copy and pasted, don’t you? 😆

busyboysmum · 09/05/2018 14:33

Absolutely agree GG is always inspirational and TBH was way above any of that nonsense. I am disgusted about the way she was treated and CJ who has killed someone in a car crash and abandoned their family and is now marrying a 20 year old was revered? Something's rotten in our society.

loveyouradvice · 09/05/2018 14:19

ahem... horrific, not terrific... damn autocorrect....

loveyouradvice · 09/05/2018 14:18

Just watched Gendequake debate and feel SO angry - yup, Germaine ambushed and mocked for saying she didn't remember being on a show that SHE WASN"T ON.....harassed in really aggressive fashion... instead of just asking - as would have been appropriate in a debate - something like what do you think about ...?

SHE IS AN ICON - and to see Caitlyn Jenner treated with awe and respect and GG attacked was truly terrific - it was meant to be a DEBATE with RESPECT... not a Newsnight Paxman attack.....

GG you are amazing - still totally amazing at 80, and made some really interesting points last night - you have changed so many women's lives... THANK YOU

R0wantrees · 09/05/2018 14:17

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-show-about-sex-every-parent-should-see-kxpc9v0nn
Alice Thomson writes:
(extract)
"The intensity of the debate around gender now feels seismic. I remember writing about it a few years ago when it hadn’t yet become a divisive issue. A family court judge mentioned that there were an increasing number of cases of teenagers wanting to transition against their parents’ wishes. At the time it seemed like a legal and medical conundrum.

Now it has become a faultline. Feminists debating on Woman’s Hour or Mumsnet seem trans-fixed. When Germaine Greer suggests trans women can’t join the girls’ club, she sounds more like an intolerant, regressive Ukip member than the author of The Female Eunuch. "

Link to thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244211-Janice-Turner-to-have-a-word-with-Alice-Thomson

AbsintheFriends · 09/05/2018 14:13

It was GG getting a hammering in the media for her 'transphobia' in about 2015 that made me start taking notice of the issue. At first I swallowed the line about bigotry and felt like I'd discovered my idol had feet of clay, but then thought... wait a minute.

She is magnificent. Shame on MB, the soundbite gobshite, implying she wasn't worth arguing with because she's too old to remember what she's said. An utter fucking disgrace.

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 14:08

I think that explains the backlash somewhat. We definitely wouldn't get away with cackling like a gaggle of witches about the poor backward men folk these days.

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IfNot · 09/05/2018 13:57

I'm astonished at that clip with all the women talking about men and marriage. .I can't imagine anything like that being on telly now! And the smoking! Shock
Loved the one with the back combed hair and red lippy. I just can't imagine a proper intelligent free and unscripted conversation among women being broadcast these days. Happy to be proven wrong though.

2rebecca · 09/05/2018 13:54

Still too angry to go looking for GG quotes, but think she was great on that clip for newsnight where she swore alot. She makes it clear that she has very little interest in m to f transexuals as her interest is in women and misogyny not feminised men who want to be women. Men can wear what they want and have whatever surgery they want as long as they don't then claim to have transformed magically in to women.
I'd love to see more of Germaine and will order her book on the menopause as it's about time I read something more recent from her.

Sontaran · 09/05/2018 13:50

Camilla Long had it right on Twitter - "Germaine Greer has spoken for three seconds and is already obviously far too intelligent for this show - again"

Greymisty · 09/05/2018 13:47

Loath the so called age divide in feminism. I'm a millenial and women in my age group are being brainwashed in all sorts of crap thats a so called choice and empowering Confused I think as a whole we haven't been round the block enough so should sometimes shut up and listen to GG and co. But nooo we're to busy helping the modern man manage his feelings.

Sorry getting into my rant groove.

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