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Germaine Greer Fan Club

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DJLippy · 09/05/2018 12:16

Is anyone else annoyed with Germaine Greers banishment to the naughty corner? She's a living icon and she's just not appreciated properly. It's a real shame the way she is no-platformed and vilified - just because she says women don't have penis'.

I wanted to share some Germaine Greer links that I love. I'm a massive fan and I'm pretty sure a lot of you guys are as well. If you could share your own links, messages, thoughts that would be awesome.

The Female Eunuch
seminariolecturasfeministas.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/germaine-greer-the-female-eunuch.pdf

The War if the Sexes. 1993 Panel show with Caitlin Moran, Janet Street Porter & Suzanne Moore. This explains the backlash...

+Germaine Greer on Newsnight re transwomen*
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=403&v=7B8Q6D4a6TM

Has the #MeToo movement gone too far? With Sophie Walker & Melanie Phillips

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QuarksandLeptons · 15/05/2018 10:45

Yup, love her. So lucid, so clear

DJLippy · 15/05/2018 10:28

Anyone listening?

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Elementtree · 15/05/2018 08:28

I love Germaine Greer. I found a battered copy of the Female Eunuch on my mother's bookshelf when I was 16.

I didn't understand some of it, didn't agree with some of it and still, I had the sense that, for the first time, I was being spoken to and not around. It was the important heads up of what was coming as I moved towards an adult world and made sense of what went before. It was the starting point of thinking what was happening around me and how that related to my sex.

Though my mother insists she has never owned or read a copy of the Female Eunuch and says that Greer is evil. Confused Grin

theaveragewife · 15/05/2018 08:01

I love Germaine Greer and so pleased to see her on tv this morning being treated with respect. Also looking forward to Woman’s hour today - thought this thread could use a bump to discuss.

OnTheList · 13/05/2018 13:03

There is a thread now on MN regarding unisex toilets and how most people do not like or want them, doesn't make Germaine Greer look very popular if she thinks they are a good thing.

Because admiring someone means we must agree with every single one of her views? Hmm

I don't think there is a person on this earth that I agree with on every single topic.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 13/05/2018 03:46

I pulled out my copy of Sex and Destiny and thought this paragraph from the opening "Warning", is as good a summation of Greer's approach as anything. Forgive the image, I didn't have time to type out the quote.

I hadn't read GG for a while, and I'd forgotten how compulsively readable she is. Her scholarship informs her writing like a buttress holding up a cathedral roof, but her style is so direct and vigorous.

Germaine Greer Fan Club
ALittleBitofVitriol · 13/05/2018 03:14

Writersblock2
Thank you for posting that video. I've just listened to the whole thing while doing the dishes. My first foray into Greer and shit, she's a smart woman. I am seriously surprised by and interested in her thoughts on some topics which I thought we would never see common ground on, but which I had recently been thinking about as a reaching out between conservative and radfem women. So it was a really pleasant surprise to hear her speak in a similar vein to what I had been pondering. Wow. Thanks again.

DJLippy · 12/05/2018 23:51

@Vicky1990 I have come to the conclusion that you're a man. You haven't even watched the videos - bye bye beta man.

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ToeToToe · 12/05/2018 23:10

Actually, I don't apologise - the AS function is an excellent way for women here to assess the people they are engaging with.

ToeToToe · 12/05/2018 23:09

Vicky, I apologise, but I AS'd you.

You're someone who posts on Mumsnet "There's a Woman's Hour on R4, but not a Men's hour".

You are not on this thread, in good faith, to discuss Germaine Greer. You just want to rubbish her. I engaged with you in good faith last night - I see now that was a mistake.

Vicky1990 · 12/05/2018 22:59

I have watched the vidios at the top of this thread and have come to the conclusion that Germaine Greer is a very disturbed woman.
She clearly hates men and try's to get other women to do the same, I have yet to see her discuss her warped views with a man, or men, to get there opinions on her rants.
I don't know if she is married or has children but my guess is not, I think this is the cause of her bitternes as she has missed out on family life.

Onemorning · 12/05/2018 09:53

I saw her speak last year and asked a question. She's amazing.

dianebrewster · 12/05/2018 07:53

I went to see her talk in Brighton last year - took one of my DDs who was very impressed. We had to walk the gauntlet of TAs (she was talking about ecology FFS). GG is amazing Smile

InfiniteSheldon · 12/05/2018 07:18

Another huge GG fan here

Moritz · 12/05/2018 07:05

I heard so much crap about her. When i actually read her work and seen her interviews i thought why are they bashing her? I think its important not to bully or silence views just because we disagree and that goes for both sides of the trans debate. The channel 4 genderquack show with kathy newman was such a mess....

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 12/05/2018 06:56

That was a fabulous video ToeToToe. It's instructive to see just how offensive men were willing to be, when talking to women in those days. The man at the end was being so offensive and GG basically said, "I see you, you muppet" and put him right in his place. She was so fierce and intelligent and take-no-prisoners, I just wanted to stand up and cheer.

R0wantrees · 12/05/2018 01:55

Absolutely! Smile

DJLippy · 12/05/2018 01:51

'I don't tell anyone what to do, I encourage them to think.'
This is not a feminist issue. This is a people issue. (Sorry if I sound like bellend Trudeau but sometimes sex is irrelevant)

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R0wantrees · 12/05/2018 01:16

Blimey... double flowers (not necessary but thank you). I hadn't heard the lecture Germaine Greer gave at the library before that writersblock2 linked too in this thread but it drew together so many strands in my life and I'm deeply grateful both to Germaine greer and also Writersblock2 for linking it.
In the middle of the video, she says something along the lines of, 'I don't tell anyone what to do, I encourage them to think.' I believe that this is what is so desperately needed now.

DJLippy · 12/05/2018 00:57

@R0wantrees Flowers
I myself have never given birth, or gone through the menopause. I was a 'libfem' a few months ago (even though I didn't know what that was, I just thought - feminism is feminism) Being told biology doesn't matter has opened my eyes to the missing link in my feminism. Reading Greer was like reading Jesus. I still think that I can talk about these processes - even though I might not have experienced them - we all can. Women who have had severe gynecological problems - extra Flowers. Men's bodies don't do all these traumatic things to them do they?

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R0wantrees · 12/05/2018 00:31

Vicky1990
Germaine Greer's point was likely more about her regard for what she sees as the peculiarly English fetishisation of toilets / urination etc. The greatest shame is that in this particular context her nuanced and deeply considered views are being limited to the characters of a tweet...

ToeToToe · 12/05/2018 00:24

I really don't think she thinks they're a good thing, VIcky. I think she doesn't think it's that important.

She's been doing this for 50+ years. She's on a different plane to the rest of us. Don't get hung up on it.

You can disagree with admirable people on certain points. It's called debate. An exchange of views. A difference of opinion. The danger comes when masked men are shutting down that debate.

Vicky1990 · 12/05/2018 00:21

There is a thread now on MN regarding unisex toilets and how most people do not like or want them, doesn't make Germaine Greer look very popular if she thinks they are a good thing.
She is way out of touch with reality on many subjects, this is one of them.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 12/05/2018 00:20

Women generally say No to free-for-all toilets.

No.

There, I've said it.

ToeToToe · 12/05/2018 00:09

Well I don't feel any particular shame over my female body - but that doesn't mean I want to do away with my privacy either. Because - quite simply men are obsessed with women's bodies. Even from young boyhood - never mind porn - they will sneak the M&S lingerie catalogue away to get a glimpse.

So a wish for privacy and dignity - not shame.

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