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How would you actually implement bathrooms separated by sex?

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 21:39

I'm actually curious about this. I'm defining sex as the most common combinations of chromosomes and gonads.

How would you enforce that only people with a particular combination uses a particular bathroom? In the case of intersex people, or transgender people who pass well?

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FrancisCrawford · 08/05/2018 22:26

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:25

There is no way to say.
If a trans woman passes well, I wouldn't know they are transgender.
If thry do really awful, I wouldn't know they aren't a man.

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Opheliah · 08/05/2018 22:24

Secondary sex characteristics are the usual giveaway. Tone of voice etc.

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:22

By your definition, how would you differentiate those? Would you look at prople's genitals?

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:22

I didn't say it needed to be. I am asking whether it is viable at all

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Opheliah · 08/05/2018 22:21

Can you tell one from another? Have you met humans?

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:21

Isn't that morally questionable?

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Thetartofasgard · 08/05/2018 22:20

Of course, but what would you consider a transgender woman and what a bloke?

A bloke has a penis.

A transgender woman has either had her penis removed (and gets to use the women’s toilets) or still has a penis (and should use the mens.
Simple.

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:20

I'm asking about how would you visually differentiate one from another

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:19

I know, sorry, I'm trying to be strict with definitions and following them until the last consequence

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:18

And I am thankful for all the answers.
If being a nuisance is the criteria, what does sex have to do with anything? Could it not be so that all people who make a nuisance are asked to leave?

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Opheliah · 08/05/2018 22:17

Does that not result in passing (something over which people has a limited control) being the basis for segregation?

Passing when it comes to loos probably yeah. But not sex segregation in general.

CoteDAzur · 08/05/2018 22:17

"what would you consider a transgender woman and what a bloke?"

And again, I recommend you get a dictionary.

We don't actually have to guess at words' meanings, you know.

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:16

I wouldn't know, because if they passed as women, how would I know they are trans?

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ReluctantCamper · 08/05/2018 22:15

I'm out.

it's like trying to have a conversation with AI

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:15

Does that not result in passing (something over which people has a limited control) being the basis for segregation?

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Tinkletinklelittlebat · 08/05/2018 22:13

Here have a fish.

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:13

Are they? As you say, trans women are using the women's

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ReluctantCamper · 08/05/2018 22:12

you've had loads of answers blackandredarrow, basically saying that no-one is interested in rigidly enforcing who can use the loos, but them being nominally single sex allows people who are making a nuisance of themselves to be challenged

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:12

I'm asking how would you strictly enforce it

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CoteDAzur · 08/05/2018 22:12

"I mean there is more than just gonads and chromosomes"

A dictionary would help with your doubts and confusion re the definition of the two sexes.

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blackandredarrow · 08/05/2018 22:11

Of course, but what would you consider a transgender woman and what a bloke?

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Opheliah · 08/05/2018 22:11

Well we're mumsnetters yknow not actual law enforcers