Who wants to tell Labour Party?

Tinkle some countries to indeed have a law that states your sex must be clear from your given name. On the other hand, some give boys a girl's name, like the Spanish José María. Naming structures are pretty complex things.

Lily Madigan is a woman and anyone who disagrees should go to prison for transphobia.

Same thing with these Mexican dudettes.

But then logically - must women have recognised and stereotypically 'female' names? Or 'look' sufficiently gender stereotyped? Or not be married to a woman with children?

Of course not. A woman called Steve or Phil with short hair, jeans and dms, married to a lesbian partner and raising children is still a woman.

This is the issue. Self ID logically must mean that any bloke at any moment can simply say 'I'm a woman because internally I've decided'. And the word 'woman' just now means 'anyone who feels like using that word and accessing those resources'. That's what no gate keeping and disposing of the relevance of biology looks like.This IS self ID.

So either people need to stand up and say yes, I want to remove all meaning from the word woman and end sex segregation and here's why I think it's the best possible thing for everyone/society as a whole, or realise that we're making a sideways Lineham Twist which lands us beautifully at Clapham Junction.

But if they say they’re transwomen why would they lie about that? Could they not spot the imposters from the genuine candidates?

And I’ll take a shunt to St Pancras (invoking the 1963 Inter-Yorkshire championship 1st semifinal).

At least 15 of them registered with male names, even though they claim to be women.

But you'd never get that kind of thing in the Labour Party. They've got a different system altogether. Their foolproof system is believing that if a man says he is a woman then he is one. #nodebate

See the difference? It could never happen in the Labour Party. You'd never get a man registering as a man in the local elections and then being put on an All-Woman Shortlist and the Jo Cox Leadership for Women scheme.

Honestly. The level of hysteria on here.

Oh Gasp.

Who would have thunk it?

Trying to make sense of this is like playing Mornington Flipping Crescent.

That is the best analogy for navigating the trans minefield that I have ever seen.

How dare they say they are not transgender, that's murder & rape thrown into one. Transgender is in the mouth of the self-declarer.

Well this is the upshot of I am what I say I am. Based on current right think who is to say the married men with families aren't women if they say they are.

Genuine question - the whole point of self ID is that no gatekeeping happens and if you self identify then you are for all purposes transgender?

I get horribly confused as we're repeatedly told that no one will ever self identify for personal agenda/ in bad faith, and anyone who self identifies is and shouldn't be questioned as to whether they are 'really'?

Trying to make sense of this is like playing Mornington Flipping Crescent.

That is so predictable & obvious. 17 out of 19 trans candidates fraudulently claiming to be trans, including candidates seeking re-election having previously stood & been elected as men.

But no man would ever claim to be trans if weren't true would he!

You mean a system that is based entirely upon someone's word and has no gatekeeping or checks is open to abuse? In politics of all places?

Fancy that.

. But that would literally never happen.

well not shocked really