Genderquake

I seem to know many females who must have failed that socialisation then.
And plenty of males who failed male socialisation.

I failed female socialisation but I'm not pretending it doesn't exist as a patriarchal societal force.

It's called having a class analysis.

But kudos on getting 'mansplaining in'.

Obviously you failed female socialisation as well.

Isn't it a bit early on a BH for you to be mansplaining female socialisation Yet

I seem to know many females who must have failed that socialisation then.
And plenty of males who failed male socialisation.

Isn't it a bit early on a BH for you to be mansplaining female socialisation Yet?

I shan't be watching. I have better things to do with my evening :)

Women are socialised to be 'nice

Plenty of people are socialised to be nice. It's not just a female thing.

The man on BBC Breakfast was trying to be nice. He really didn't want to upset the other people.

There are plenty of people out there who aren't nice - both men and women.

Are we ready for this?? I'm already angry

I can see you're open minded then...

3 of the (I was going to say contestants as they kept referring to having been 'in the house') participants have just been on BBC Breakfast.

2 people recounting how nice a man had been as he listened and learned and made lots of misgendering mistakes "So you don't have to!"

DH looked at me and said "I know. They can be whatever gender they choose to be as long as they don't claim to have changed chromosomes. He will never be female, as you are, yet, if and only if, he is polite about it, you will call him by whatever name and pronoun he desires. His choice"

I think I may have been a little bit more vocal about this than I thought! But I may have to rethink that last bit... my socialisation still shows!

Oh, Bergdorf is part of it?

I thought it was just a Blue Hair Big Brother.

Shan't be watching either way!

When is Munroe's documentary on? Is she the director, or just the host?

I'll give that a second Amen! :D

I never say things like that to people. I'm getting a bit tired of being some right on fuckwit's punch bag to be honest

Amen sister!

It really is fucking tiresome being scolded innit...

yes. today I have been accused of

• hysteria
• likened to a criminal
• told that i'm seeking to enforce the purity of womanhood (i'm watching you all like a snake so you better behave)
• repeatedly told I'm a bigot

I never say things like that to people. I'm getting a bit tired of being some right on fuckwit's punch bag to be honest.

the frothing has seemed mostly to some from one side of the debate today.

It's amusing me that on this thread the most frothy frothers are those accusing others of being bovvered and frothing...but then I'm quite tipsy now so it's all

I'll probably watch that one because as Leyat says, I'll be interested to see how they spin the Bristol thing.

YY. I fear for my blood pressure though.

Saw the trailer and I don't think it will gel well with me and it'll be cringe. Hoping to read threads from those who have watched it though so I'm up to date with tv minus the effort

come on Tinycitrus, I would suggest that having Munroe Bergdorf front a show called what makes a woman was a deliberately goady act by C4 to gain viewers.

I'll probably watch that one because as Leyat says, I'll be interested to see how they spin the Bristol thing.

@Tinycitrus maybe just focus on not getting so bothered by the fact that other people have strong views on something that you don't.

Oooo pink port sounds intriguing...but I fear I am in danger of going off topic as per with the booze chat.

It is of course good to hear other points of view so perhaps I could watch tomorrow if I a) stay off the booze and b) take some Kalms beforehand...

Look it just is what it is. Gender is a huge issue for some groups of people so tvprogs will be made about it.

I consider myself gender critical- but some of you are really pushing it to extremes FGS.

Honestly get a grip

It will be interesting to see how they edit their footage from the gender meeting that Munroe attended where mostly male TA's wore masks and physically prevented women from entering the talk, at one point trapping some women in a stairwell, all of which only ended when the police finally decided to do something. Then when Munroe attended the meeting, he tried to speak over one of the speakers - which no-one ever does at these meetings because obviously it is totally out of order to do so - and was promptly asked not to do so, he decided to leave. It would be great if C4 showed what happened in the way that it happened, but I am not holding my breath. The very idea that a show on women should be presented by a male is breathtaking in its misogyny. Seems pretty obvious that this is not actually a show about us...

I'm on pink port. it's 19.5%

I'd like to watch this. It would be good to get some idea of what people who think gender is important are talking about.

Have some booze Reluctant, then you can be more not nice but you won't feckin care...

Yup that troll was and I'm pretty much over being scolded by randoms - it's tiresome.

I'd be quite happy with programs like his if they started b defining the words they use... are they going to give us an objective definition of 'gender', for example?

Women are socialised to be 'nice'. Fuck that. I prefer to be authentic; I prefer to challenge bullshit; and I prefer to resist patriarchy....