Genderquake

@serfandterf101 I didn't think Romario passed totally. I do wonder how much the participants were told about the other housemates, maybe they did not know what the whole house situation would be.

"some of them obviously quite pissed off that he fooled them all and therefore is he a 'better' trans than them?"

I don't think they are pissed off because he passes more than them, I think they are pissed off because he is being secretive and they are being very upfront. The irony is that, IMHO, that feeling of someone not being open with them might be he same feeling others may have had about them, and they would not like that.

So I do feel sorry for Romario, but if he didn't want to get into that situation he should not have come on to Filomena.

I'd guess it's seen as similar to YouTube but better as no-one has to go looking for it, they just get it vomited into their laps by clicking on a mainstream TV channel.

A lot of boggling going on round here

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered

"With no background knowledge of TRA methods or the existence of AGPs, won't most viewers lump all trans people into the harmless, young, maybe experimenting or rebelling, possibly a bit confused bracket?

So won't grasp the finer points of objections to self id."

Yes, I think so.

I think the getting interested in each other sexually is a TV thing, that is what the TV producers are hoping for, I think.

I think we have a lot to learn from this generation who are mostly very comfortable with not being stereotypically "normal" (I'm speaking as an old gimmer here ) Yes previous generations have paved the way with women's lib, gay rights, etc but they have really embraced the right to live as they feel happiest and I am full of admiration. As a PP said, there's none of the TRA about any of them and Id bet that they would all be horrified at the kind of violent misogynistic twats who are purporting to speak for them.

Having said that, Saffron is a bit too "non binary", it's like that's all there is to her, it has consumed her personality. So sad that she can't just be "her" and not feel like she is competing with her sister (who probably thinks she's great as she is). I'm optimistically hoping that she'll have a bit of a thing with another housemate and decide she's gay/straight and maybe feel a bit more secure? But it probably isn't that easy...?!

I actually really like Campbell, it just demonstrate that the earlier you start the hormones the more likely you are to pass successfully. She is also way less annoyingly 'girly' than Charlie. Is that because of her early transition too? She and the curly blonde make a very cute well-matched couple.

Re Romero- I reckon it was a production ploy to have a secretive trans man in there. After all, he passes totally, except when naked. Interesting to gauge the others reactions - some of them obviously quite pissed off that he fooled them all and therefore is he a 'better' trans than them? Competitive behaviour not restricted to 'cat-fighting girls' and 'macho men', it's also perhaps prevalent in the trans community.

Looking forward to tomorrow!

Why do folk in these houses get sexual so quickly?

I assume they must screen for this when interviewing potential participants? Not that I didn't indulge in my share of shenanigans at that age, but the willingness to do so on camera on a show your gran could watch does boggle me a bit.

I was initially pleased that they all seemed reasonable and genuine.

After a bit more thought it struck me that this will be a lot of people's first introduction to trans people.

With no background knowledge of TRA methods or the existence of AGPs, won't most viewers lump all trans people into the harmless, young, maybe experimenting or rebelling, possibly a bit confused bracket?

So won't grasp the finer points of objections to self id.

That was quite interesting and not over sensationalised, none of them were awful or unlikeable - channel 4 is slipping. I don’t understand why everyone is tutting at a Marcus saying he “outed” Romario. Everyone knew and was gossiping about it - apart from Filomena. The “girls” outrd R by spreading what they saw. Anyway, it was fsirly sensitively done. Poor Saffy looks nothing like a boy - seems pretty confused.

I thought that was really good. Lovely people and all so comfortable with each other. Romario seems to be the only one carrying a bit of baggage/ anguish. Is he the oldest? Don't know if that's got anything to do with it..

Oh dear, yes I meant tonight! What a weird autocorrect 😀

I think it was correct to let Philomena know but not on his birthday and not like that. Everyone else knowing and talking behind their backs was bitchy. Why do folk in these houses get sexual so quickly?

@Destinysdaughter what's 'tongue gut'? Tonight?

"Worth watching on catchup?"

Yes, it was interesting, there were some very interesting people in there and definitely worth watching.

I enjoyed it so I would say yes.

@DJLippy well I have eyes but I don't see it like that at all. I think Romario was in the wrong and Marcus was right.

I didn't watch this tongue gut, but from the comments it sounded interesting. Worth watching on catchup?

Agree that if Romario didn't want people to know he was a trans man then he shouldn't have gone on this programme. I wonder if the producers wanted one of them to keep quiet. They all seem very trivial. The XXY lass seems the pleasantest. The 2 XXY folk I met in real life looked very male but had been diagnosed young and put on testosterone.
Perhaps the quieter ones have more too them. I think Saffron needs to stop pushing the being non binary as her main issue and personality feature and realise everyone has a range of personality features and that's normal. Turning it in to her "thing" because she feels less pretty than her sister isn't a good move.
The 2 m to f transsexuals overdo the girlie femininity thing

Does anyone else have moments of sudden simultaneous insight and bafflement that people just go round pretending to be the opposite sex. It's just so bizarre.

Maybe Romario's intention was to explore that question of whether a trans person is always trans. Turns out, probably yes.

I agree with you but clearly Romario is touchy about it and could've been planning to talk to Filomena about it very soon but all of those options were taken away.

I'm bi and totally open about that but if I wasn't, I'd be within my rights to be fuming if someone outed me without my consent.

Was it just me or did none of them appear overtly political... As in tra?? Just ordinary people living their lives without shoving it down our throats??

Newsflash!!: Thats the same for 99.9% of trans people. Although that is actually how things are in reality, you would need to see the reality of trans people to accept that, rather than echo chambers.

@BlytheByName "However I suspect Romario was put in there precisely to force this kind of drama and Filomena was just a pawn in the TV producers narrative. She is the exploited one here."

I agree. And with @AfterSchoolWorry tooo.

I also think Romario is pretty dopey to go on a programme specifically about gender, knowing that he is a trans man and knowing he does not want to out himself and then to go topless swimming! Very odd behaviour.

@cistersofterfy I agree because Marcus' ex boyfriend cheated on him he has a strong feeling about honesty.

But "Still, it wasn't his place to say." Why not? What if a friend hooks up with someone and a mutual friend knows that person is married already, or in a relationship or something, is it OK to tell the person who hooks up with the married person? I think of it like that really, if you know something about a person that a friend would want to know, maybe you should be free to tell them that thing?

It's tomorrow night, fellow viewers, not next week. See you Here!

Thank you everyone for the synopsis. I appreciate it.

That's not how I read it. Marcus' ex boyfriend cheated on him and as a result he strongly believes that honesty is always the best policy. I thought that seemed plausible.

Still, it wasn't his place to say.