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They've started on Gransnet now

It's not just other sites, it's groups too. I've seen it happen in libfem groups on FB because they are all inclusive and the trans voices talk over and over again about how excluded they feel by talk of things that affect women and eventually the women just stop talking.

Incidentally, I'm not sure if people are aware but there MN is also being targeted by the instagram mums who aren't happy with some of the frank conversations that go on here about the opacity around product placement and the ethics around shilling your kids.

Poor MNHQ is getting attacked from lots of different directions!

Parentsnet, then.

I hope MNHQ become aware of how many sites turned into thumbleweed becauser trans activists took over.

What are some feminist sites that has become ghost sites?

F-Word (rebranded by us as the T-Word) springs to mind.
Twisty's blog, whatever that was called.
Feministe, which was lite-weight anyway
There were a number of libfem blogs, which I never frequented.
Now that I think of it, probably loads, because I never did hang out at the libfem sites. Of course, all the libfem sites caved. Bigtime.

Someone with a better memory could probably list many of them.

AAK: They still seem to think that they're dealing with mostly reasonable people with reasonable objections, with just a few maybe going a bit overboard, and that a compromise with the reasonable people can be found. When in fact reasonable trans people were never the problem in the first place.

Yep! Classic error, underestimating one side.

When in fact reasonable trans people were never the problem in the first place.
This 10000 times over

They still seem to think that they're dealing with mostly reasonable people with reasonable objections, with just a few maybe going a bit overboard, and that a compromise with the reasonable people can be found. When in fact reasonable trans people were never the problem in the first place.

It is so depressing when a forum goes tumbleweed.

What are some feminist sites that has become ghost sites?
This must not be allowed to happen to MN.
The humor, the crude language, the feminism...if that is stifled, it will just turn into Nethuns!

Remember when Feministe had actual commenters and not just a bunch of grifters begging for money? Don't be them, MNHQ.

Thanks for the echo on the now-ghost feminist sites.
Yeah, shame. But they invited the wolf into granny's house.

*Of not off

I've seen it happen to multiple sites, all of which are now sad ghost town versions of their former selves with nothing much going on other than the occasional tumbleweed rolling through. If MNHQ give in on this it won't just be the feminists who end up leaving (or being banned), it will kill their entire business, because the business is fundamentally based on women talking to each other about the realities of being female and TRAs consider that intolerable.

Got to say, so have I. I can think of at least 7 forums I have known off which went this way after aggressive moderation or moderation which was too focused on one thing. In the end it divides a site, annoys people and they leave. Or at least that has been my experience, it has always followed the same sequence of events.

The paedophile plan thread certainly empted out quickly. Didn't a couple of posters disappear? Little Voice of Sanity went and I think one other did?

(Points up)

I've seen it happen to multiple sites, all of which are now sad ghost town versions of their former selves with nothing much going on other than the occasional tumbleweed rolling through. If MNHQ give in on this it won't just be the feminists who end up leaving (or being banned), it will kill their entire business, because the business is fundamentally based on women talking to each other about the realities of being female and TRAs consider that intolerable.

As for deleted comments, yes, I totally agree with the posters that said the 'offending' comment should be quoted and messaged as to what guidelines it contravened.

That, and yes, I would rather the odd 'offending' comment stood, rather than being deleted. After all, to my sensibilities, every time someone says 'cis women', it is highly offensive (these comments stand). Moderation has become a little heavy-handed of late. Threads are looking like swiss-cheese. And not in a tasty way.

Amalfimamma yes, that @mumsnetreport twitter is still active. And I am having the sads that I have not made the 'transphobic cut'.

It is ridiculous that an external site is having influence on moderation decisions here. This debate has been raging elsewhere online for over a decade now.

Way back in the thread, Sonic said summarised it best:
MNHQ tried to strike a balance between a misogynistic TRA ideological position versus a pro-woman scientific Gender-Critical one. You can't balance that. There is no middle ground. You never should have tried to pander to an ideology where males refuse to let women use words unless they only say those words when they mean the opposite of what they actually mean. It's bonkers. You were never going to be able to play to both sides on this. You should have sided with women, not men, at the very start.

My thoughts exactly. Ultimately, they will have to come down on one side or the other. Could be one of the biggest business decisions they ever make, they won't see that, until it's too late. The T-Borg take over a site, yes, it all starts by being nicey, using pronouns and wotnot, then T-issues become the forefront, and the feminists walk away from being constantly censored. After the T-Borg have done their take-over, the site becomes a shell of its former self. The only reason that MN have a buzzing feminist forum now, is because it happened to several other predecessors. That's ok, feminists like me, we are mobile, we just take it to the next site that hasn't been taken over. Yeah, MN might want to analyse the different forum page hits to see what they may be losing in the terms of revenue.

What I am seeing on the FWR forum right now, is a fight-to-the-death. We are actually trying to keep it alive, and truthful. But we won't be treated like naughty little schoolgirls forever. Mark my words, there will be an exodus.

Radical feminists have been historically on-point as to the strategies used in all of this; from T asking for A, then B, then omg, C (self-ID). All of the things that TRAs assure us (women) 'will never happen', happen, and on a very regular basis now. MN are a fairly newish to the party. They may wish to do their own investigations as to what happened to previous feminist sites that were taken over. It ain't pretty. It wears a pink dress and has stubble. But yay! for being woke. And dead in the water.

@thebewilderness yes definitely fawning :D

@lemonjello exactly!

Oh, so that was Mermaids Helen? No wonder she came across so, um, well, maybe better not to say specifically other than "not well".

I don't want men in female only spaces however they identify.

YY. I want privacy from male bodies thanks, how they identify is irrelevant.

I can’t see, hear, smell, touch or taste a male gender identity. Why would I need privacy from one?

💙💜🧡💛💚❤️

Agree with PP's going for a chill in the stationery cupboard. I think posters do at times cross lines but perhaps womanformallyknownaswoman is right its not a baseline response but an reactionary one due to provocatation.

The toilet issue will never be solved i dont think. Most the disabled toilets you see in the uk aren't changing places ones so aren't particularly accessible. So the fight there hasn't been won. I wish these TRAs who claim to be feminst and intersectional feminist at that would actually do some work for actual marginalised and vulnerable groups.

Thinking about it, the history of those words, the Eugenics fad, Buck v Bell etc are an encouraging example of how bad social policy based on bad science doesn’t last. Highly relevant to the transgender trend and self ID;

m.youtube.com/watch?v=1DnH0Yalhro

OK thx Battleax

Mongoloid, Cretin, and Moron are all problematic.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretinism

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)