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For me it's a balancing act of power, position, status and history. Oh and the truth from your or mine perspective. im not overly familiar with Shon Faye so can't comment on their dickhead status from my perspective nor if it would be appropriate to talk about her as I simply do not know.

OnTheList - without putting words into MNHQ's mouth, I suspect that if George Osbourne got in touch with MN and asked for the posts calling him a dickhead to be taken down, they probably would. It's just most people in the public eye are sensible enough to realise that it's part and parcel of being a public figure (provided that the comments stay in the realm of gentle ribbing rather than threats or vicious abuse). And you look like a dickhead bleating on about people not being allowed to call you a dickhead. Or a dicksplash. Or a twatbadger. Or a massive tit.

^^ I was careful to achieve gender parity of terms used

The average TRA is not in the same position so calling them a dickhead is game for deletion...an exception to this I would say is Caitlyn Jenner, she is such an obvious dickhead that it's bloody obvious im not calling her a dickhead because she's trans I'm calling her a dickhead because she just is, like George Osbourne just is.

That's not really fair. If someone feels any public figure is a dickhead because they just are they should be able to say. Caitlyn Jenner is trans and so is Shon Faye. You should be able to call either a dickhead, or neither.

George Osbourne is a dick head because he's a dickhead, he also made horrible cuts which disadvantaged many groups, he's white, he's a he, he straight and privately educate. Insult the cheeky fuck to the moon and back.

The average TRA is not in the same position so calling them a dickhead is game for deletion...an exception to this I would say is Caitlyn Jenner, she is such an obvious dickhead that it's bloody obvious im not calling her a dickhead because she's trans I'm calling her a dickhead because she just is, like George Osbourne just is.

Hi Helen and your alter ego MNT. Hope you've both had a lovely afternoon. Funny how after a while of not posting on either accounts, both suddenly post, yet your little note says you don't run the account. I think you need to be a bit more savvy once this account crashes and burns like the other two. #wegotyou

As Uterati says, they are simply expanding the reach of quite sensible words which echo what many people think about this issue. Because they are out of touch in their echo chamber they don't grasp this.

Our view here is that, while we cannot control the decisions of others to intrusively discuss individual children's genitals off board, we can and must control it on Mumsnet

I just posted this on another thread but after thought I agree with this. Just because Susie Green and Jazz Jennings's parents think it is right to publicise the most intimate details of their child's life doesn't mean it is right. By repeating these details we are implicitly condoning their release in the first place, we should be respecting the privacy of these poor children even if their parents won't.

If SG were posting on this thread and talking about her child's op (which she has, extensively), would that be allowed?

I'd hope it would be deleted immediately, in the same way that Id hope that any thread where an adult gives details of how to bypass UK law in order to take a child abroad for genital surgery would be.

@TheUterati I couldn't care less of mine end up on Twitter, MN is an open forum anyway. They did screenshot one of mine but it's still up here. There are more important hills to die on.

@spontaneous - not bothered to check whether I have been deleted from the Graun thread.....

On the other hand that my posts have been Screenshot and posted to Twitter means that they have legs on a platform that I don't use. So I should probably be grateful for that .

I'm curious. If SG were posting on this thread and talking about her child's op (which she has, extensively), would that be allowed?

You know @katemumsnet one thing that is very unclear is what the guidelines actually are. And how the mods apply them. There has been some massively inconsistent modding over the course of the last few days. On Friday, there were loads of deletions. Yesterday, loads of stuff that would have been deleted on Friday was allowed to stand. Today, the decision seems to have been reversed.

Can you tell us - and your fellow mods - what the rules actually are?

I don't want to leave MN over this because then the TRAs will have got their wish. But you need to be a lot clearer about what is and what isn't acceptable.

@TheUterati Exactly what I said on the Guardian thread. I will not shut up. These are far too important issues to to sit in silence over.

@spontanous

I'm not leaving of my own volition, but I am not going to 'shut up' and be censored in what I can say in order to stay.

@TheUterati You aint going anywhere bossy mode

@KateMumsnet

So we can't talk about individual kids? I agree with that.
We can discuss SRS of young people in a respectful and not salacious manner? Ok.

What about if the point we want to make is in a published article and is perhaps a little outside of what we would be allowed to write. Could we link to that article to make our point?

Yay. I've been reinstated for the second post.

Thank you, MNHQ.

I suspect that my posts will be reported again, mind. Will keep an eye on them.

@KateMNHQ - I am afraid that is manifestly not the case, because you deleted my post on the 'State your belief about ID' thread.

there's a better video

CuriousaboutSamphire

I think the full lyrics might be interesting for the young folk (It was written in 1966)

Who Lyrics
"I'm A Boy"

One little girl was called Jean-Marie
Another little girl was called Felicity
Another little girl was Sally-Joy
The other was me
And I'm a Boy

My name is Bill and I'm a head case
They practice making-up on my face
Yeah I feel lucky if I get trousers to wear
Spend days just taking hairpins from my hair

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it
I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But if I say I am
I get it

Put your frock on, Jean-Marie
Plait your hair, Felicity
Paint your nails little Sally-Joy
Put this wig on little boy

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it
I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But if I say I am
I get it

I wanna play cricket on the green
Ride my bike across the street
Cut myself and see my blood
I wanna come home all covered in mud

I'm a boy I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it
I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy
I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy
I'm a boy, I'm a Boy
I'm, A, Boy!

The song was originally intended to be a part of a rock opera called 'Quads' which was to be set in the future where parents can choose the sex of their children. The song is about a family who "order" four girls, but a mistake is made and three girls and one boy are delivered instead. The boy dreams of partaking in sports and other boy-type activities, but his mother forces him to act like his sisters and refuses to believe the truth ("I'm a boy, I'm a boy, but my Ma won't admit it")

@KateMNHQ

No. I cannot take you seriously when you invite reports via Twitter.

No. I cannot take you seriously when you delete 'bless...' on the grounds that it is outside the bounds of civil debate. Ditto 'yawn...'

No. I cannot take you seriously when you delete posts stating biological facts, yet allow the converse to stand. I cannot take you seriously when I am permitted to state 'God does not exist' or 'Jesus Christ was not the son of God' or 'religion is a system of delusional beliefs', yet I am forbidden to state 'trans does not exist', or 'transwomen are men' or 'trans is a delusional belief'. (NOTE: the complete absence of calls to persecution in such statements - whether they be related to religion or to trans...)

No. I cannot take you seriously when there is such a delay between the data breach and you taking the action you are required to take.

If you believe that this means that MN is not the place for me, then you may take whatever action you wish. But, do me and the other users the courtesy of allowing this post to stand, so they may read what may be my final post on this forum and understand the reason why I have been banned, should that be your decision.

Agree with Greymisty and picklemepopcorn