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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 06/05/2018 11:08

Have just grassed you up for banning them @MNHQ

They said "Mumsnet you left us no choice"

I think you are supposed to hang your heads in shame Grin

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leyat · 06/05/2018 22:55

What you want is to prevent women from having a different gender politics.

If you had a clue about what you were talking about you would understand that gender critical feminism refutes that gender is innate, and understands that the feminine gender is imposed on women, due to being female, in order to subjugate us under patriarchy. So the idea that we are cisgender, i.e. that we really are the feminine gender/deserve our place in society, is offensive misogyny. And we understand that the idea of basing pronouns on a profoundly misogynistic, genderist ideology is harmful to women, such that for many of us it has become a political necessity to use sex based pronouns.

If you do not expect people who take on genderism/trans ideology to stop cisgendering women because women mostly don't refer to ourselves this way and most women reject the idea that the social role society coercively imposes on us is actually what we are, then you should not be expecting anyone to use preferred pronouns. These are expressions of different gender politics, and many trans people agree with us our gender politics btw.

You clearly think that women's speech should be controlled by male authority, and so you are trying to help with that by harassing and doxxing women to comply with that. So I pity you. But you should know you are not gonna succeed, and we see what you're doing very clearly. You should try tolerating different views, instead of engaging in actual bigotry.

Ereshkigal · 06/05/2018 22:54

You're a sadistic, controlling, zealous ideologue. You were born too late (or maybe not). The Cultural Revolution would have suited you well. Or the Inquisition.

PermissionToSpeakSir · 06/05/2018 22:54

I agree reluctant

ReluctantCamper · 06/05/2018 22:53

I think MNHQ could have saved themselves a lot of pain if they'd said to whoever the control freaks people behind the various Mumsnet Transphobia twitter accounts 'thanks for your interest. if you want to get involved, join the site. You can report posts through our usual channels^

The mods do normally do a good job tbh. You don't notice good modding - it just sets a good tone. But the people they're modding for are us - the users of the site. To make this a pleasant place to be.

After all, let's not forget, we're not the customers, we're the product. We're all here, beavering away, producing free content, viewing the ads. I don't flatter myself that as an individual I'm of any interest whatsoever to MN as a business. But as a group? We're their lifeblood.

Nothing2SeeHere · 06/05/2018 22:53

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Fairenuff · 06/05/2018 22:53

Hang on. You posted asking if we had any questions:

Nothing2SeeHere Sun 06-May-18 22:23:27
I am the person who is in control of the Twitter reporting account. Anything you want to ask?

I'm asking a question.

Are you going to answer it or not?

Amalfimamma · 06/05/2018 22:52

The person who set the original account up, she posted on here several times on Friday I believe accidentally locked herself out of the account after 2 hrs. I then set the second account up alone.
Ok so you're saying you're solely responsible for the post on that account?

PencilsInSpace · 06/05/2018 22:52

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Nothing2SeeHere · 06/05/2018 22:51

My post only mentioned Transwomen refrerring to the deadnaming and abuse etc. I haven’t seen any directed at trans men. As I said at the end MN should be a place where EVERYONE should be welcome.

PencilsInSpace · 06/05/2018 22:51

You brought this.

What happened to that poster - the death threats, the vile things said about her unborn child - you invited that.

The chilling effect on debate here, the mistrust between MNers and the mod team - everything to do with you.

You have a lot to apologise for. You won't though.

Ereshkigal · 06/05/2018 22:51

Here's a question for you. You say you don't want #nodebate. How can we debate these pertinent issues if we can't acknowledge that "trans women" are male?

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/05/2018 22:51

Nothing2SeeHere

I think people here are quite capable of asking popping along to Twitter if they have any questions they might want to address to you.

I find your arrogance astonishing.

spontaneousgiventime · 06/05/2018 22:50

Nothing2SeeHere Biscuit

Nothing2SeeHere · 06/05/2018 22:49

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spontaneousgiventime · 06/05/2018 22:49

Nothing2SeeHere You think you're so smart and so clever, you're going to come a cropper. You are posting on here for attention knowing you're hated.

Ereshkigal · 06/05/2018 22:49

To want MN to be a place'...what you mean is 'To want MN to be a place that bows to my world view'. MN is better than that.

This.

VaggieMight · 06/05/2018 22:48

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ReluctantCamper · 06/05/2018 22:48

@Nothing2SeeHere

Biscuit
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Fairenuff · 06/05/2018 22:46

I'm responding to this:

Nothing2SeeHere Sun 06-May-18 22:23:27
I am the person who is in control of the Twitter reporting account. Anything you want to ask?

Now you say you won't answer my question Confused

Amalfimamma · 06/05/2018 22:46

until last night I was doing this alone
Oh so the other person who set up the account and got helpers in who them panicked was a troll and you are the only one responsible for that account?

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pombear · 06/05/2018 22:44

OK, I'll 'bite' before I go to bed.

Abusive language - I've seen hardly any of that on this site, and it's highly moderated by members, not just the moderators themselves if it happens.

Hatred - members tie themselves up in knots to ensure sensitivity, recognition of issues are respected. Go somewhere else on the internet and fight your battles where there is real hatred.

Deadnaming - it's essential to reocognise people's past in their current behaviours. This seems to be a euphamism for TRAs to 'ignore all past behaviours'.

Misgendering - it happens. It's not 'violence' when it happens. There are good reasons, on a societal level, why people are doing it here. The gaslighting is shocking.

'To want MN to be a place'...what you mean is 'To want MN to be a place that bows to my world view'. MN is better than that.

Fairenuff · 06/05/2018 22:44

What question?

Nothing2SeeHere · 06/05/2018 22:42

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