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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 06/05/2018 11:08

Have just grassed you up for banning them @MNHQ

They said "Mumsnet you left us no choice"

I think you are supposed to hang your heads in shame Grin

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Battleax · 07/05/2018 00:28

This is hard to follow.

Is it now verboten to point out the factual truth that MtF genital reassignment surgery entails castration?

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:26

PermissionToSpeakSir I googled, no, I'm thinking of a different word to you.

ReluctantCamper · 07/05/2018 00:26

Moron is the problem word.

leyat · 07/05/2018 00:25

@Datun it is stressful, but it really helps to know that MNHQ are working on how to approach this and planning to let us know once they reach a decision. I really hope they only prevent what they find to be objectively wrong, and refuse to take a position on gender politics, i.e. refuse to prevent us using sex based pronouns etc. Sex based pronouns aren't objectively wrong, and are a reflection of GC ideology in the same way that cisgendering is of trans ideology. I find cisgendering highly offensive as a feminist woman who understands I am not the gender coercively imposed on me and that to say I am is to say I am innately subordinate to men, but I would uphold the right of those who cisgender me to be able to do so because of free speech, and I would expect MN to allow people to use the terms cis and cisgender on here for the same reason.

PermissionToSpeakSir · 07/05/2018 00:24

no it is not that word I don't think I think it is the word coined by Henry H. Goddard

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:23

thebewilderness Think of an Asian country remove the last few letters and add oid.

PermissionToSpeakSir · 07/05/2018 00:23

it is a word that used to be used to categorise people in asylums and is now used to mean - you stupid person!

hipsterfun · 07/05/2018 00:22

The m word people used to use for people with Down’s syndrome.

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:22

To be fair, even among those of us who are GC it can go from mildly so to really quite hard-line. As Datun said, perhaps moderating by law would help? You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

thebewilderness · 07/05/2018 00:20

Would someone pls spell out the m word that is proscribed? For the slow of puzzling out. Thanks.

ReluctantCamper · 07/05/2018 00:18

I think it's because they're modding for all users Datun, and there are a significant number of vocal users who feel very differently, and would quite like gender critical feminists to pipe down please and stop making everyone feel uncomfortable by saying no to men.

Part of their job is to bear those people in mind.

As for the twitter thing? Yeah, I got nothing. Don't know what possessed them there.

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:17

Well, there you go. The FWR board has taught me something new today and I won't use that word again. Positives in negatives.

leyat · 07/05/2018 00:16

@greymisty much of the gender debate really is black and white though. Many issues are like that. If you don't believe in innate gender then the whole debate is really largely straightforward.

Greymisty · 07/05/2018 00:16

I just googled the c word as I didn't actually know the meaning...yeah not a good word to use. Reported a poster (a TRA) the other day for using the m word and it was deleted.

thebewilderness · 07/05/2018 00:16

It's so polarised atm and black and white. I find it sad.

That is what makes the conflict crystal clear in political fights.
Submit, or die, has been the theme song of the abusive male for generations. Women have been saying no to these demands for just as long.

ReluctantCamper · 07/05/2018 00:15

Ah, just seen the medical definition. gotcha.

pity. it's a word with good mouthfeel, just like the M one.

Datun · 07/05/2018 00:14

Extraordinary thread. Real rollercoaster.

It's incredibly stressful for posters having to wonder whether to walk on eggshells, or confront with common sense and risk being banned.

And I personally don't understand it. I don't understand why HQ cannot stand up to TRAs. As someone has just said, they can make up their own rules.

It would be really quite simple just to say no. We are only deleting things that are quite evidently transphobic, in terms of the law.

So although I believe they are under pressure, I don't understand exactly where it's coming from. Pressure from TRAs can't actually do anything. (And yes I know SWAT teams, but surely no one is seriously modding on that basis).

So unless they have been warned by an advertiser I don't see where this leverage is really coming from.

hipsterfun · 07/05/2018 00:13

You could Google and decide for yourself, RC.

I don’t use it now, like I don’t use the m word.

leyat · 07/05/2018 00:11

@tinycitrus this is the second post of yours that I have read in the last 10 minutes on two different threads where you are telling women they should not have the concerns they do and should not express themselves in the way they are. Maybe ask yourself why other women just doing them is so bothersome to you? Why haven't you simply tried to debate what it is that you feel is so missing from FWR by starting your own thread? Surely you understand that women aren't here to talk about only what you see value in.

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:10

Don't worry reluctant, I've asked for my post to be deleted. I don't know if it is or isn't acceptable, so better to ere on the side of caution.

Greymisty · 07/05/2018 00:09

It's so polarised atm and black and white. I find it sad.

PermissionToSpeakSir · 07/05/2018 00:08

The fact that this site is mainly user generated content tinycitrus makes it a bit more delicate than that.

MN has to think of their tone, how it reflects their brand, along with keeping the quality high so people keep using the site or lurking. If they start saying 'my way or the high way' people will bugger off and it will be Netmums if they mis-judge it.

ReluctantCamper · 07/05/2018 00:08

hang on, cretin is not OK now? dare I ask why not?

ReluctantCamper · 07/05/2018 00:07

Not sure I've seen people asking how to wash their towels in feminist chat Tinycitrus, so not really following you on that one.

spontaneousgiventime · 07/05/2018 00:06

hipsterfun Oops, apologies all. I will report my post. I have trouble keeping up with what's acceptable or not these days.

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