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I think Mumsnettransphobia was deleting tweets, I checked back half an hr ago and their latest updates had gone.

I have not seen any feminist suggest transpeople use the disabled loos. I have seen people say that a third space should be created..and another user getting mightily pissed off thinking that by third space members meant use the disabled areas.

I did see someone suggest this on an AIBU thread though..they said something along the lines of 'the disabled toilets are already unisex, use them' and they were shut down immediately. As they should be as its clearly not the answer to do that.

Also I didn't mean I had seen disablist posts on this thread, just read back my post and it looks like thats what I meant. I have seen a few of them in various threads though. But what I view as ableist, others may not. Clearly outright offensive posts about people with disabilities should be removed, same as posts that are actually transphobic, or homophobic, or racist, etc. Again though there is the issue of what one person views as Xphobic, others may not. Moderating is a tough job really. Its subjective a lot of the time.

The thought makes me shudder Battleax!

Just points to why there needs to be a really big consultation with everyone represented it can't just be focused on transgender needs/wants as there are waaaay more vunerable groups then them.

@Amalfimamma

The account is still showing active for me.

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It seems that Twitter has had enough too

Throw us under the bus

Battleax That suggestion is not really a win for feminism.

That’s what I’m complaining about.

Why it might be okay to throw us (disabled women) in the quest to protect women only spaces I can’t begin to fathom.

I meant to add so yeah be pissed off at that...

Battleax That suggestion is not really a win for feminism. Especially when you look into the stats about disabled women and how we have no accurate stats for violence and sexual assault against disabled women. The estimates are all aprox at least twice as bad if not worse then the statistics for non-disabled women.

I'm in agreement with MNHQ that discussion of named children should not be allowed.

That said, I think the Green case is unique for a number of reasons.

Susie receives a very substantial salary as CEO of Mermaids, which by its own admission is not just a "support" charity, but a lobby group.

Mermaids has been invited to engage with many organisations - parliament, Miller, police etc etc

Susie and her child have repeatedly engaged the national press and social media.

The reason "we" know about Susie's response to her child's gender dysphoria (and in graphic detail) is because she has chosen repeatedly to discuss it.

So I think there is an issue here.

It's hard to discuss the motivation of Susie and Mermaids without also being open about her reaction to her child's dysphoria, her husbands reactions and the fact she decided intervene by taking her child to another country for hugely invasive surgery at the age of 16. A country that has now banned such procedures for children.

The truth is that SRS is brutal. M2F or F2M. There's no escaping the fact that in terms of surgical intervention it's hugely invasive and yet still limited in its ability to recreate a facsimile of a non natal sexed body. In terms of an aesthetic the results can be good for some people but the functionality is incontrovertibly not comparable to natal organs.

I feel an enormous amount of empathy for people who feel this is a necessary procedure for them to undergo.

I question whether any child has the maturity to make such a decision.

I question the ability of anyone whose facilitated this for their child to have a viewpoint that's nuanced and balanced about possible alternatives to transition.

I think it's important to be able to discuss this.

This is difficult, yes she does talk about it but does her child? I genuinely do not know. If the child does speak about it, is it with the same level of invasive detail?

Children's rights trump the rights of adults, always. Just because a parent chooses to share the most private details of their children is it ok to repeat it?

The thing is that the knowledge of that individual’s surgery is very much a “stable door” situation.

Once it’s known to have happened, then it’s known, and we can’t I know it. It was widely publicised by the parent and do if there’s fault it’s with that parent.

Obviously, prurience or unpleasantness are not on, but I can’t for the life of me see the value (to that child or society) of everyone pretending they weren’t told.

PISSES me off

I were a wheelchair user I'd be well pissed off if my hard won changing places toilet/faculties changed in the gender neutral toilets. I think people forget disabled loos always end up being used for a quickie that's why they sometimes have a key or you have to ask to use them.

Periodically, it has been suggested that making disabled loos available to transsexuals is the answer. I must admit that that kisses me off hugely. Especially when it comes from a feminist defending women’s spaces and attempting to broker a “compromise”.

Twitter, which is well known for being very anti-feminist, once suspended me for 12 hours as a result of posting prison and murder stats for transwomen
leyat -
There are some account holders on twitter who are very very busy reporting comments and accounts (& celebrating their collections of blue shields). As Twitter has some specific policies about protected characteristics, reports on this basis are often successful. The report sent will appeal to established grounds for deletion / suspension etc.

I believe, that sexism is not included!

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Part of their job is to bear those people in mind.

Yes, I understand they are bearing as many people in mind as possible. But if you ask 20 people a question, it's easy to get 20 different answers.

And if you have all the time in the world and endless resources you can assess forensically to effectively moderate. But they don't. They're stretched to breaking point, getting stressed and (it appears) all have slightly differing opinions.

And offending someone is inevitable.

I just don't get why they care. MSM is only reporting how bad it is that MN are being targetted. Articles are all in favour of MN.

Where's the damage?

Yes I am okay with being offended too. For example sexist words like 'bitch' or 'slut' - I am pretty sure on MN other posters would call it out and there wouldn't be any need for deletion.

There's been some awful disablist/ableist threads or comments. I don't know what it is about society/groups of peole but it/we can only ever seem to focus on one "PC" issue at a time. Atm it's TRA meanwhile disabled access to life still sucks and two women a week are still being murdered. Tra la la larrr.

If I were a wheelchair user I'd be well pissed off if my hard won changing places toilet/faculties changed in the gender neutral toilets. I think people forget disabled loos always end up being used for a quickie that's why they sometimes have a key or you have to ask to use them.

However, I would prefer the odd post I find offensive to be left up than 50 posts that are borderline deleted. If that makes sense. Obviously other members may think differently though.

Me too.

Thanks for the m word clarification. It jars on me when people talk like that and then I wonder if I say that sort of thing too.
Food for thought.

Of course, private information about children shouldn’t be shared but commenting on public domain details shared repeatedly and at length by an (unusual) parent is actually a different thing isn’t it?

If someone was boasting all over social media about their daughter’s FGM and that was discussed here, what would MNHQ’s editorial line be about that @Katemumsnet?

I remember very well the decades when FGM, forced marriage and “honour” killings were considered “community matters” and therefore unassailable. I’m uneasy about this.

As Datun said, perhaps moderating by law would help?

This seems to be how other sensitive topic are moderated. As little moderation/deleting as possible, is what I used to think MN mods tried for? Obviously personal attacks and such go too..but generally, free speech seemed to win out.

There have been posts on here that I consider to be able-ist (or is it disablist? I should probably know as a disabled person ) which have been left standing. However, I would prefer the odd post I find offensive to be left up than 50 posts that are borderline deleted. If that makes sense. Obviously other members may think differently though.

And just to add re modding, Twitter, which is well known for being very anti-feminist, once suspended me for 12 hours as a result of posting prison and murder stats for transwomen, and I posted these in a response to a tweet that gave false info, and in my tweet I gave links for the stats. It was literally a factual correction and nothing else. I mention this because not even Twitter suspends people for using sex based pronouns for trans people.

Ah this is about Suzy’s own child again?

It does seem a bit bizarre when she’s made a whole career of banging on about how she financed her child’s operation and where it was performed.

no, i think that's fine Battleax.

but I think naming and discussing individuals who were minors at the time the procedure was performed on them is, rightly, not OK.