Cotton ceiling?

Good thread op and thank you for the informative replies. So basically cotton ceiling is the same as the incel movement as it is about men’s protest that women very unfairly won’t have sex with them because women don’t fancy them and as a result they are oppressed and it is an injustice against oppressed men. This is scary.

*ceiling

The cotton being is just the trans version of the demands made by Incel.

And because Riley is a DARVOing narcissist, Riley tried to claim that wasn't the takeaway message people should have got.

I believe Riley has a youtube lecture about how lesbians how won't submit to dick are bigotted bastards

It's here if you can bear to watch it:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5GYlZKfBmI

I'm not a lesbian but I feel offended on their behalf watching this!

Although in many of these cases it's a kind of generic desire / hate combo, rather than anything to do with the actual woman / girl

Or specifically is a hate act against someone they know

Or it's because they can, in the case of a lot of CSA

And so on

Don't mean to imply that these things are solely an expression of desire, as they are highly aggressive, often violent, and also often "scatter gun". Often they are display of dominance.

Anyway.

I believe Riley has a youtube lecture about how lesbians how won't submit to dick are bigotted bastards,

Several.

Should have had an "etc" after rape..

There's plenty to fight for. People not wanting to haev sex with you when you want to have sex with them is not generally super-high. In fact, it's the reverse, a lot of problems for women and girls are caused by people (men) wanting to have sex with us when we dont' want to have sex with them. And having a feeling of entitlement to make their desire known, through street harassment, sexual assault and through to rape.

I believe Riley has a youtube lecture about how lesbians how won't submit to dick are bigotted bastards,

Not seen it I admit, that's the gist, I understand.

It's interesting that so much of trans activism is concerned with SEX. Sex has not been a primary concern of other rights groups I dont' think. They've mainly been concerned with violence, exclusion from parts of society / jobs /voting, lack of bodily autonomy, rape.

Like I say, interesting that so much of the stuff fro TRA comes back to sex. And telling women off. And telling women they should ignore their boundaries / sexual preferences etc. And fuck who they're jolly well told to.

The first thing I heard about cotton ceiling was this (copied from a site through google - there's loads out there on this though, google yourself if you wish):

"Toronto, Ontario (March 28, 2012): Today, the Ad Hoc Coalition Against the Cotton Ceiling (the “Coalition”) submitted a petition with more than 250 signatures to Planned Parenthood Toronto (PPT) to ask the organization to reconsider hosting an event that promotes the sexualization of females.

PPT is sponsoring a March 31 conference in Toronto called “Pleasure and Possibilities.” According to Sarah Hobbs, Executive Director of Planned Parenthood Toronto, the purpose of the conference is to continue conversations that began at an earlier conference entitled “No More Apologies: Queer Trans and Cis Women, Coming/Cumming Together!”

The subject matter of both conferences is specifically sexual in nature. One of the featured workshops is entitled “Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Trans Women.” The workshop facilitator has defined the “Cotton Ceiling” as follows:

The cotton ceiling is a theory proposed … to explain the experiences queer trans women have with simultaneous social inclusion and sexual exclusion within the broader queer women’s communities. Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.

The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex."

The Cotton Ceiling is a term used by trans activists who have a penis to describe the fact that lesbians don't want to have sex with them, and so don't see them as real women.

Magdelen Berns;

A trans person talks about the cotton ceiling;

Lesbian festivals & meetings are regularly attacked for being transphobic - Michfest is an example. Its history is already being erased and rewritten.