Posie: truthcrime harassment continues

#IstandwithPosie

I don't know where to post this, so just going to put it here... I was thinking about the screen shoting and wondered if a way to prevent it might be to have links to valuable resources or sites right at the top of the message box, so there is no way to capture the text (and username) without the link? Hope this makes sense/might be useful?

They could block it out, but then readers would wonder what was blocked and check it out themselves possibly?

What would be the reason to mention mastectomies in 13 year old if not to shock and jolt? It's shocking

That's just so so ridiculous.

She is strong, funny and articulate. Pity she isn't using that to achieve something humane and good.

No watering down of child protection safeguards as an (undoubtedly unintended before anyone reports me) consequence of GRA sounds like a pretty worthwhile thing to achieve?

Or do you want current safeguarding protections for children, all children, watered down?

She is strong, funny and articulate. Pity she isn't using that to achieve something humane and good.

That's arguable. If she gets more public scrutiny of certain dubious organisations and the overreach of their role in government policy making I'd say she would be doing exactly that.

9th May Caitlin Jenner speaks on Diversity

15th May Stonewall reception for MPs

17th May Peter Kyle MP (Labour) Has secured a 3 hour debate in the Commons to mark International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia, and Biphobia.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237973-Commons-debate
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3223840-Parliament-hosting-Stonewall-panel-event-on-trans-issues-and-changes-to-GRA

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238618-Trans-Media-Watch-has-written-to-parliament-saying-trans-identified-male-can-be-considered-as-hate-speech-and-that-Mumsnet-users-referring-to-penises-are-being-transphobic

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

You have my full support posie
I will also donate

Yep. The event in Edinburgh on the 22nd is going to be a biggie

www.engender.org.uk/content/events/85-why-womens-equality-organisations-support-the-proposed-changes-to-the-gender-recognition-act/

I do wonder how much some of this is an effective distraction (opportunistic or otherwise)... there are key events happening in coming weeks and (as we know) lobbying has already started.

I think this has implications way beyond trans issues.

Agree

She is strong, funny and articulate. Pity she isn't using that to achieve something humane and good.

Because we don't think it's right to discuss children's genitals on social media, but unfortunately we can only control what goes on on Mums net

Ok, fair enough.

Because we don't think it's right to discuss children's genitals on social media, but unfortunately we can only control what goes on on Mumsnet

OK, I can get with this. Being a terrible parent and allowing one's child to be mutilated and then sharing said mutilation with the world at wide should be condemned by all right thinking people. We can discuss the broader principles at play without bringing individual children into the conversation.

However, if we are having such a general conversation, I would hope that we would be able to quote children and their parents where pertinent, such as when someone pops up to say "this is all scaremongering, no-one would do this to their own child!". Or where children have voiced regret - or indeed satisfaction - with undergoing such dramatic surgery at a young age, we should be able to discuss that in an appropriate and sensitive way, because the children themselves have spoken publicly.

Posie do find a way of letting us know when the coffers start to look a bit low - I'll more than happily bung you a bit more, in fact I consider it a privilege to be able to.

Same here, Posie. I think this has implications way beyond trans issues.

I do not wish to live in a country dominated by denunciation culture, which is backed up by statutory authorities.

Posie do find a way of letting us know when the coffers start to look a bit low - I'll more than happily bung you a bit more, in fact I consider it a privilege to be able to.

Because we don't think it's right to discuss children's genitals on social media, but unfortunately we can only control what goes on on Mumsnet

This is a really good point. Whatever anyone's views, individual children are individuals and we should consider how to treat them with respect. Doing that and raising concerns about medical ethics and individual actions of lobby groups are not mutually exclusive.

Because we don't think it's right to discuss children's genitals on social media, but unfortunately we can only control what goes on on Mumsnet

Until you made that point MNHQ, I was about to vehemently disagree with your position. But that is a point very well made, no-one should be discussing specific children's genitals in public. If a parent believes that it is ok to go to the media and share intimate details of their child for publicity that does not make it right, and we shouldn't implicitly condone it by repeating details which should be private to that child.

Does this mean that mermaids are acting lawfully if they counsel a mtf child towards genital mutilation, but not if they councel a ftm?

@terfulike I'm assuming you're talking hypothetically because I've not seen any evidence that Mermaids counsels children in this way. It would seem that this would be the case, that it would be legal to counsel a boy towards seeking reassignment surgery, but not a girl if the surgery involved destruction and reconstruction of genitals.

I've not really thought about it from this angle before. You'd hope there would be some guidelines for charities to use when counseling under 18's regarding promotion of surgery/hormone treatment.

I'm impressed if that post is actually an admission that you think she was wrong btw :)

Ok so you think Susie Green was wrong then, to go public with details of her child's medical treatment and conditions and surgery?

But we aren't allowed to discuss what she has chosen to make public, or what the reality of her chosen course of action is?

But this person's mother has publically talked about what happened from a medical pov. I'm not saying anything which their mother hasn't disclosed to all and sundry.

I was arguing with a transactivist (one who has a name involving vegetables..many will know who I mean) at the time so I suspect it was them who reported me

I think I do. If it's the one I'm thinking of it's interesting to look up their username on google in relation to a site with a name involving fruit.

But like I said List, some people clearly have serious clout.

[Said Susie Green]: ‘As a toddler, always headed for the dolls in toy shops. Initially, I did think it was a phase but , as she was then, became disruptive in class, ran away from school, loathed having her hair cut and would rip off her school uniform and put on girls’ clothes when she got home.’

I support Posie. But I also kind of hope it does go to court, as surely nothing will come of it except for more and more people becoming aware of exactly what Mermaids is.

I actually have my own battle after being reported for a post I made about child abuse/transkids. No specific child was mentioned, nor was I abusive or anything in the post. I was arguing with a transactivist (one who has a name involving vegetables..many will know who I mean) at the time so I suspect it was them who reported me. I am fairly sure nothing will come of it, but DH is quite worried about it all.

I kind of think TRAs are shooting themselves in the foot, with this seemingly mass police reporting thats going on. And I do not understand how the police have time to interview people like me, Posie and Linda Bellos under caution, when they seemingly do not have time or resources for anything else. The mother of my stepkids is currently being stalked/threatened by an abusive ex, and she has basically been told that unless she is actually attacked/hurt or he turns up at her house when the kids are there as threatened (and is still there when the police come) that nothing can be done. Its all shit.