State your views on trans issue/self id issues *TITLE EDITED BY MNHQ

You can't change sex and it's impossible to have a female brain in a male body or vice versa.

Male and female are based on reproductive role.

Transgenderism is sexist and homophobic.

There was a compromise by which women were courteous and allowed MTT is female spaces but that time has gone, and women did not destroy the compromise.

The GRA is no longer needed.

Men should be able to dress how they want without thinking they're the opposite sex.

Transing kids is abusive.

i have no issue whatsoever in people dressing how they want and taking whatever role they wish to take.
My position is that gender and the entrenched societal roles it brings is limiting and damaging.
Certain areas should stay sex segregated, including options for patients to see a male or female dr/nurse (if a choice is available), safe places such as rape crisis centres must remain male free, and this should never even have a sniff of suggestion of bigotry or transphobia around it, or it shows the true intent and agenda of those shouting about it (as is happening now).
Sports need to be sex segregated as female bodied people cannot compete fairly with male bodied people.
I think the agenda from TRAs is frightening and threatens women and girls, but somehow lots of people are sucking it all up passively in the name of progress, when it really isn't progress, taking away sex definitions will be anything but progressive for women and girls who have fought for so long to get even just a foot in the door of any sort of equality, and this is in so many areas, sport, work, medical care (some drugs can have catastrophic effects in women as the trials were carried out on men), and I was also shocked to learn that it was only relatively recent when crash test dummies weren't solely made to be male heights and weights. In so many walks of life women are seen as second class citizens, and current trans lack of debate is one more example of men rough riding over women to do what they want, bugger what women feel, after all they're only women.

Excellent points Nosuch

I agree with all that Uterati.
I think the only reason I ever make the distinction between TS and TG, is that the latter form the majority of the TRAs and are the ones pushing for selfID. It is probably more of a firefighting response on my behalf, to extinguish the greatest threat.

As for the TS, they are really the result of a compulsory-heterosexual patriarchical society. Get rid of that, and no need to be TS (internalised homophobia).

And also whereas i dont believe the process should be humiliating or difficult to the extreme I don't think self ID is the answer. Afterall we have the same enemy. Violent men Why make it easier for them to have access to their prey.

My views are- that trans people like everyone else should be able to live and work and participate in life free from abuse and discrimination.

That what ever they wear is up to them and that they have as much right to exist as everyone else. And that any health care and support needed is given.

But penises need to stay out of women's spaces and women's sport and any suing or protests against this is male entitlement at its finest

I will sign petitions or go on marches and be right behind any trans person who is not being treated fairly and kindly. I do not condone violence or abuse at all.

But they do need to accept their sex is and will always be male and no amount of gas lighting will change that .

I think the UK's Self-ID thing is an example of the kind of libertarianism that's evolved from Thatcherism via a resurgence in hard left politics. I don't really know what you'd call it. It's not neoliberalism because it has a socialist edge to it - conform or gtfo.

Society has become a marketplace for individual rights, where certain sets of beliefs are like consumer products... but the product that's cornered the youth market is intolerant of any principle of liberalism or any liberal idea that's not on the approved list. Maybe you could call it "totalitarian liberalism". It looks like traditional liberalism, but it isn't because the individuals concerned only tolerate the specific liberal ideas that they agree with (these areas of intolerance are paradoxically called "safe spaces"). That's why the Tories are telling Universities they have to stop no - platforming.

Is really scary, tbh. The idea of the Tories having to stand up for old-school lefty-liberals in Universities hurts my head. As a Gen Xer, we kids were the ones fighting the system of intolerance. Now the kids are trying to put all that intolerance back into the system. Animal Farm nailed it. All liberals are equal, but some liberals are more equal than others.

I wish the MRAs and TRAs would ask Mumsnet to set up boards for them to talk about themselves or go to a MRA or TRA forum instead of interrupting, harassing, and derailing, Feminists who are trying to talk about women's rights.
Particularly now that women's rights have once again been declared by males to be not only anti man but also anti trans.

yep, pretty much