What do your male partners make of GRA

Men I know initially didn't believe any of it, thought I was bonkers to even suggest it. Sport has peaked transed the lot of them.

In fact, sport has even peak transed my children, who are students and very much of the "let's support minorities" point of view - it took them a little bit of time, but they are now as angry about the whole thing as I am.

V right on and progressive lefty BUT entirety lacking in ego. Didn't get it. Listened. Researched. Gets it and cares. Wrote to MP. Still right on and progressive; sees that the TRA movement is regressive, classist etc.

Currently single. But I've managed to peak trans my dad...

DH hit peak last night. I explained what self ID would mean and he got it straight away.

Dh has signed the petition and sees right through the whole thing

DH completely on board.

In my experience so long as they're willing to listen, they're not a progressive dude bro, and not an actual fuckwit, many men, possibly most, think self-ID is a very bad idea.

If they need a nudge, asking whether they would choose a transwoman over a woman as a sexual partner normally helps things along as does asking them to reflect on men cheating in sport by saying they're women.

As others have said, if TRAs could be steered to attempt to convert the average bloke to their ideology this whole sorry episode would resolve itself quite quickly.

My DH just rolls his eyes and thinks I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

I was looking to see if I could get The Handmaid's Tale on All4 catch up a couple of hours ago. What's that, he asked; I explained briefly. No interest. This from a man who will watch reruns of Stargate, X-men and any other sci-fi crap....

OT, there are a few handmaids on planets accessed through the Stargate, from what I've seen. They all generally seem to be dressed in dowdy beige handwoven shifts, and are forever cowed by the men in their lives too.....

After the lesbian couple were murdered last year and I told him about it mine has been taking a bit of a "don't hit the nest of seething wasps with a stick" approach.

Mine thinks it's so ridiculous it could never happen. He signed the petition.
The GG thing made him we have daughters.
The sports examples made him
Then the scottish parliament redefined woman & he happily took half a day off work so i could go see our MSP.

He will support & facilitate any actions i want to take but he annoyingly hasnt a political bone in his body.

What about sending your DH that Morning Star article, NightOwlAgain?

Mine thinks it's bonkers. Sometimes I think I bore him a bit when I talk about it, he wouldn't have known anything about it if I didn't though.

Neither DH nor any of the surprising number of trans people we know believe you can change sex.

They are all really worried about what's going to happen should self ID come in. Trans friends because it's going to make their lives so much more dangerous. DH because he's worried that friends of his are going to get their heads kicked in because of how much more dangerous their lives are going to be.

It's a mess.

I think dh got it at the airport last year. There was a massive queue for the ladies' toilets and I was plaiting my legs
I said to dh I was going to self id as a man and go into the gents. He looked a bit horrified but it did generate a useful discussion. I didn't go into the gents because the smell from it was permeating from the entrance to all the surrounding shops and restaurants. It was rank
The irony was when I eventually got into the ladies there was a bloke in suit sauntering out of the cubicle and washing his hands. To this day I wish I'd challenged him, the smug fucker. He could have nipped to the gents but hell no, let's queue up with ladies and make them feel uncomfortable because that's what entitled male twats feel it's their God-given right to do.
I will never, ever be so meek and restrained again.

Apologies for repetition re: the sixties. Also should say that the only one I have made aware of this issue is my dad.

No OH but:

Straight male close friend : WTF? Science! Women's rights FFS. Men need to address their own violent/demanding entitlement. What about my mum/sister/little neices/friends safety and rights? Wonders if the timing is deliberate
re:Women's Suffrage centenary. No to self id.

Gay male close friend: but science. Doesn't like the TRA attitude, thinks them a risk to his female family, women generally. His sister is a lesbian and she and her OH are a mix of angry and scared - have already had a run in with the ladydick brigade locally. Doesn't know other male friend, but also thinks the timing of escalation is suspect. No to self id.

My Dad - Totally peak transed. Concerned about impact on sex segregated spaces, womens rights etc. Especially as he was around in the sixties, supporting contraception, employment rights etc for women in the sixties. Worked in STEM, set up access courses to encourage women into engineering. Thinks people are good at whatever they're good at regardless of sex. Went 'wibble' when he saw the pink brain/blue brain stuff. Very glad he's not growing up in this climate, thinks it is a bad time to be young generally. No to self id.

All three are very different when it comes to employment and politics, income etc.

Mine thinks it is bonkers but probably thinks it'll never happen.
Fwiw I work with men and those I've told also think it is ridiculous and those with daughters were particularly angry

Nightowlagain
Buy your husband a beer. He seems like a decent man...

Mine just simply couldn’t believe I was right .... couldn’t believe that anyone would think it was ok that someone could just say “I’m a women now” and that would be that. Was disbelieving of TIM taking part in women’s sport, being placed in women’s jails & refuges etc.
Now he’s bloody raging and as involved as I am in calling out this insanity

Eldest is a Gay man in his fifties. He said I was overreacting when I talked about the consequences both intended and unintended of the raising of the transgender umbrella in 2004.
Then he looked into it and was mad as hell when he saw what abusive adults were doing and saying to children.

My DH thinks the whole thing is nonsense and that it's obvious that people can't change sex. He also understands what AGP is, so that helps. He was nearly punched by a TIM much larger than him a while back for muttering something under his breath about men bullying women when the TIM in question was getting aggressive and nasty towards a cashier in a shop.

@Nightowlagain, I hear you...my DH thought I was turning into a bigot and seemed genuinely puzzled why I was getting het up about this issue.

His turning point was sport, I gave him examples of cases whereby TIM had beaten women and he was horrified.

Since then he has been more open to the issue and understanding of the ramifications.

Mine agrees with me that the whole situation defies all sense and reason...but he's not as militant about it as I am.

Having said that, he signed the petition...and yesterday he asked me some pertinent questions and looked like he was genuinely interested in the answers.

For example, he asked why it's only women's rights to privacy and dignity that are threatened. Why is it not a problem if pre-op trans women invade men's private spaces? I explained in terms of a pre-op trans woman using the men's showers at the pool versus a pre-op trans man using the showers that I and our 6yr old DD use. I asked if he thinks there's a difference.

"Hell yes!" was the reply.

They don’t think you can change gender.