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Letter in The Guardian from Transexuals saying self ID not the answer

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invisibleoldwoman · 04/05/2018 18:20

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/04/standing-up-for-transsexual-rights?CMP=share_btn_fb

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MipMipMip · 05/05/2018 09:59

My mistake Errol, you're right, it was the times.

Floisme · 05/05/2018 09:53

Flowers Great letter and I support anyone who puts their head over the parapet over this. It's more than I do most of the time.

I agree with other posters that transexuals have got their own battle to fight but I hope we can work together.

okdok · 05/05/2018 09:41

Just - thanks. I did talk to the police, who told me there had also been a complaint about this fully biologically male person exposing themselves to a young girl in a ladies public toilet.

LangCleg · 05/05/2018 09:38

This is a TS campaign, not an add-on to the fight for women & girls' rights. TS have their own dog in this race. We will disagree on loads of stuff. Nevertheless there will be areas we can form political alliances (as opposed to being 'allies'). We can only do that if we acknowledge our differences, then agree to table them so we can fight together on specific issues.

And another YY to this.

tibetantripehound · 05/05/2018 08:25

Delurking to send my support to Debbie, Miranda et al.

Transsexual women have always been my sisters and always will be.
My concerns are about GRA and self-ID and the increased pressure young lesbians in particular are facing to transition. Nothing else.
I despise the casual transphobia as much as I despise the ridiculous demands and threats of violence from TAs.

Thank you for stepping up all of you - it took great courage and I, for one, have got your back.

Wanderabout · 05/05/2018 07:13

FlowersFlowersFlowers for Debbie

womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/05/2018 06:11

This is a great start to the TS campaign against their sequestration by TRAs

Thank You

All these voices help to strengthen the collective NO to the TRAs

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 05/05/2018 05:55

R0wantrees

You are a linking Ninja! Thanks

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 05/05/2018 05:55

Great letter. Thank you!

OnTheList · 05/05/2018 03:29

So surprised the guardian posted this..

There does seem to be an awful lot of standing up to TRAs recently, our voice is getting louder and louder.

Pratchet · 05/05/2018 02:08

Agree with Pencils

Pratchet · 05/05/2018 02:02

Re the age thing, Fionne is young (and nicer looking than Paris lees)

JustABrokenDoll · 05/05/2018 01:03

Sorry to hear what happened to you @okdok - I hope you were able to it to the police.

JustABrokenDoll · 05/05/2018 01:01

Looking forward to hearing you speak at the Basingstoke meeting @DebbieInBirmingham Smile

okdok · 05/05/2018 00:54

I was attacked by a trans male to female in a women only youth hostel room years ago. It wasn't even allowed by the Youth Hostel Association then - but they chose a bed in the women's dormitory anyway. Punched me very hard and threw all my stuff out into the corridor because I turned the light on. I had just undressed in front of them (luckily modestly). Why wouldn't this kind of thing happen?

Jayceedove · 05/05/2018 00:52

Debbie, thank you from me too as what you did today was extraordinary.

Jayceedove · 05/05/2018 00:50

LangCleg, Greymisty, spontaneous, Pencils and others. I have spent a couple of hours reading some of my old posts on Angels. And I can see one or two where it may seem as if I was playing one off against the other. That was not my conscious intention but as it seems it was viewed that way by a few of you then I will accept that maybe unconsciously it was and apologise.

I will PM Sweary, too.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/05/2018 00:40

Oh, and very good letter Debbie. I'm sorry you've been having a rough evening - which of course you knew would happen, but you didn't let that stop you.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/05/2018 00:36

There was a telegraph letter about it not long ago from some very brave leaders, and others not closely connected, a few weeks ago.

Times, I thought? If women want to do a somewhat similar letter to the TW one, that might be a better bet for publication than the guardian.

BettyFloop · 05/05/2018 00:12

I hugely appreciate this "heads above the parapet" by all those involved. And enormous respect from me too. Your voices have to be heard - even if ours are dismissed.

We're kind of 'in this together' and I'm proud of all of you for standing up and saying so. Thank you. Flowers

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 05/05/2018 00:06

@DebbieInBirmingham Thank you!Flowers

I appreciate all who signed this letter and those who are putting themselves out there doing ManFriday/meetings/interviews/letters/posts in this tough situation. Well Done!Wine and/or Gin

MipMipMip · 05/05/2018 00:01

Thanks for your part in the Debbie.

Greymisty · 04/05/2018 23:59

Flowers for Debbie

DebbieInBirmingham · 04/05/2018 23:58

Thought I'd pop in and see how things were. Thank you for those who have left messages of support. I've had a rough time this evening, drawing fire from both sides in this debate. I'm not doing this to be popular but it's heartening when people are positive, and many are.

MipMipMip · 04/05/2018 23:53

habobo unfortunately that is happening. I'm well overdue for bed so I'll just give one example - Girl Guides. Totally ignoring safeguarding too.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/26/guides-allows-boys-identify-female-shower-girls/

There was a telegraph letter about it not long ago from some very brave leaders, and others not closely connected, a few weeks ago.

This is just one of many examples.