Letter in The Guardian from Transexuals saying self ID not the answer

Chiming in to support sweary

I just wish labour would give some more protection to this person.

Ok Lass whatever you say. I'm quite impressed with my reach in talking for other people if I can do it without even posting on the "ask a trans woman anything" thread that you cite as an example of my "arrogance and speaking for others".

I don't know what you're trying to achieve but please desist. Particularly if you're going to base your accusations on nothing but fantasies.

There tends to be two peaks of schizophrenia diagnosis - early adulthood and middle age.

Personally I'm of the view that these 'illnesses' are largely trauma based rather than organic brain diseases or chemical imbalances. LM has clearly had significant challenges in their short life that would test anybody's mental health.

It's very unusual for people at that age to get a diagnosis so they must be very badly affected.

Everyone I know who has been certified was when they were mid-to-late teens.

It is utterly debilitating and the medication makes you lose the edge of your intelligence. Horrific.

please allow for me and other raddled old transsexual women not being, quite, a man? Would it hurt?

Translation:

I'm praying on your female socialisation to feel sorry for me.

Did you know there is a village in Durham called Pity me? You should move there, you'd fit in wonderfully.

LM has 'written' an article in Medium about their schizophrenia. It's very unusual for people at that age to get a diagnosis so they must be very badly affected.

further to that tweet, in the comments below people speak about LM having schizophrenia - can this be true? It is such a hard mental illness to manage I thought LM was just talking bollocks and not to be taken seriously, just like all the other weird claims.

twitter.com/davessidekick/status/992657957224579072

Barackbarmer; re your post; I agree with everything that you say, except the last line. My existence has no effect on yours. Me being who and what I am does not impact on what you are. It doe snto seem to me that it does.
I am not a woman, I am as near to that as I can be, and I've worked at it, and in certain contexts I am in effect " a woman, or an honorary woman "or somesuch. ; I use the ladies loos. I am in a "Woman's Group in my political party.I tick the box marked F. But in other contexts I am not a woman at all, and never will be. But then, please..... after all this time..... please allow for me and other raddled old transsexual women not being, quite, a man? Would it hurt?
I do " get it" ( your phrase) , as best as I can. We do. We are just doing the best we can.

What does that even mean, Lass? That because you’ve seen my name on these boards you can slag me off for things I haven’t done? As you can see I haven’t passed comment on the letter on here and am clearly not having a go at TS speaking out against transactivism. I am standing up for myself when I’m subject to gaslighting.

LassWiADelicateAir By the way it was me who brought Sweary's name onto this thread. I was defending her and I will do it again and again and again, so get used to it.

LM had a strange reaction to this on Twitter - the newly elected Labour Counsellor Ann Sinnott (who displaced LibDem Sarah Brown- the presumed control-freak behind the bizarre LibDemLGBT twitter account who has been giving Brian Paddick shit) shared it.

LM's hostile reaction makes it seem that LM's loyalty is to the unimpeded advance of transgenderism, way above any duty to the most of Women's Officer or loyalty to the Labour Party.

It is quite weird.

twitter.com/davessidekick/status/992657957224579072

Your name is all over the few trans threads which I haven't hidden . I couldn't be bothered going back over the thread and checking all the names but happy to add Uterati and spontaneousgiventime to the posters making awful posts on this thread (and other threads)

The truth is appalling now folks. Let that sink in!

Lass why are you singling me out

Your name is all over the few trans threads which I haven't hidden . I couldn't be bothered going back over the thread and checking all the names but happy to add Uterati and spontaneousgiventime to the posters making awful posts on this thread (and other threads)

There are some appalling posts on this thread. Oh do behave. All I've said on this thread is provable. Unless the appalling posts are from the TIM's?

Good response from Rose

https://twitter.com/RoseOff_Dawn/status/992710390386712579?s=20

"I've been in a sexual relationship with a man who gets a sexual thrill from dressing in women's clothes and from forced feminisation fantasies"

Go on any pro Dominatrix website and they will list "forced feminization" as a fetish they cater for.

The first Wachowski brother (Matrix directors) to transition did so after starting a relationship with a famous Hollywood dominatrix

But it seems the transgender lobby want to suppress the notion that some men get off sexually from wearing women's clothes or identifying as a woman

I'm not sure what there is to be sad or embarrassed about

There are some appalling posts on this thread. I think I mentioned embarrassed- perhaps the correct words are there are posts which I do not want myself associated with or want any one to think that because I am posting here that I agree with or endorse.

I'm not sure what there is to be sad or embarrassed about. You often see posters say disagreement isn't tolerated on FWR so here it is for all to see. Good. We're not a cult.

Indeed.

Lass why are you singling me out? I was brought up on this thread and gaslighted when I hadn’t contributed to it. To robustly defend myself (again) to crap from JC is perfectly reasonable.

I’ve not passed comment on the letter here, just on JC’s behaviour.

importantly actually this being a guardian letter makes a really strategically important point IN THE GUARDIAN of all places, as a virtue signalling HQ for well meaning people who don’t really follow or want to follow this debate and who might think that trans people are one group with one need (to be legally permitted gender self ID) and that it’s ‘transphobic’ to want to talk about gender self ID or criticise it.

YY. That is an excellent point in terms of the wider issue.

And at least we're not deliberately making seriously libellous smears about a list of only 13 specific people. Tweet in response to Ann Sinnott retweet.

I think it’s a good letter. I agree with all of what it said. It seems obvious that a lot of peaceful trans people are being fucked over by these ‘activists’ and their chilling effect on public debate now and they will be further if gender self ID comes in.

More importantly actually this being a guardian letter makes a really strategically important point IN THE GUARDIAN of all places, as a virtue signalling HQ for well meaning people who don’t really follow or want to follow this debate and who might think that trans people are one group with one need (to be legally permitted gender self ID) and that it’s ‘transphobic’ to want to talk about gender self ID or criticise it.

I’m not really worried that it comes from people who don’t share exactly the same motivation as me. I’m sure the signatories to the letter don’t really worry that a lot of gender critical women want to talk about their own stuff. Doesn’t take away from the power of trans people says this is ‘not in my name’ and clearly demonstrating in the Guardian that it’s not transphobic to call for a debate. In their real names. It’s brave and it’s a really great thing. Same as WP UK is a really great thing and ManFriday is a really great thing.

I'm not sure what there is to be sad or embarrassed about. You often see posters say disagreement isn't tolerated on FWR so here it is for all to see. Good. We're not a cult.

Exactly.