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Feminism/ trans debate for beginners

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Merchfach · 03/05/2018 09:22

Last night I was out with some lesbian friends who asked me to go to a Pride event. I said I wasn't sure I could because of the trans situation: while I was fully in support of the LGB element, I had my doubts about the T.

This sparked an open debate. It turns out that my lesbian friends, who both work for a right-on organisation where the majority of staff are women and they have unisex loos (though female staff continue to use one set of loos and the male staff the others, interestingly) have absolutely no idea of the self ID issue or, wait for it — the basic tenets of feminism. I used the phrase 'male privilege' and they looked blank and asked me why I thought men were privileged. When I pointed out to them that men control the world — business, politics, power, religion, the structures that we all live and work under — they said 'But our prime minister is a woman and in our organisation women earn the same as men doing the same job!' When I mentioned the difference between sex and gender they were confused. They think the two words mean the same.

Where would you start? What would you send them?

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 03/05/2018 09:25

The Female Eunuch? It's a compulsive read, but it has a visceral impact.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 03/05/2018 09:25

Something on the cotton ceiling maybe?

It would be hard to press the issue possibly as there aren't any lesbian support groups anymore like lesbian line and a lot of lesbians will have experienced support from LGBT organisations.

With regard to feminism more generally Kat banyard' s equality illusion is a good jumping off point.

Although I love Audre Lorde personally