Are you scared?

Squirrel completely agree, and they'd steal whatever we ran to

As an aside, I worked out what CIS stands for, when a female uses it:
Compliant Individual Signalling. That is exactly what they are doing, whether knowingly or not. Be forewarned, I will be using that, every time a woman refers to herself or other women in this way. I like to make stuff obvious.

Ooh that's good!

Pratchet I cannot see any real difference in the insistence that women call themselves XX, and the older 'cis' BS. It's all about getting women to give up their name, be assigned another one.

As an aside, I worked out what CIS stands for, when a female uses it:
Compliant Individual Signalling. That is exactly what they are doing, whether knowingly or not. Be forewarned, I will be using that, every time a woman refers to herself or other women in this way. I like to make stuff obvious.

tinkletinklelittlebat Not scared. Very angry , very determined and saddened at the reality it's exposed of how much of society truly believes at gut level that women are subhuman, and how skin deep women's rights are. Essentially women may have rights so long as they in no way inconvenience a man.

It is this that gets to me. How easily and gleefully people jump on board with a set of such terrible beliefs that are destructive to women and our rights.

In order to steal 'woman' for themselves, they have to kick out the existing occupants.

Sorry if I missed this, but there are already transactivists telling women they are not allowed to use 'woman' to describe themselves, and instead must use 'XX'.

I'm pretty sure that comfort is the opposite of what Supermatch would like us to feel.

Supermatchgame you realise you have just said to me "it isn't all bad news. Others who use the same label as you but fundamentally disagree don't experience the same clash of identities" Should gender critical feminists find any comfort in that?

(Except at that one demo where one of them was committing arson, they're not that stupid.)

Nah, they're so confident that they can get away with threatening women they don't bother with masks.

And sadly so many females are welcoming cockoos in.

If a masked man, carrying a baseball bat, saying he had broken down and could he use your phone, would you let him in?

Wait, I think I may have accidentally described the Degenderettes...?

It's bait and switch. In order to steal 'woman' for themselves, they have to kick out the existing occupants.

Yes. And sadly so many females are welcoming cockoos in.

I particularly liked the attempt to chasten us by pointing out that Ditum is sitting firmly on the fence (which she herself has already talked about, and noted that the fact that she gets attacked anyway is telling).

It's bait and switch. In order to steal 'woman' for themselves, they have to kick out the existing occupants.
So strange that the existing occupants are objecting...

Fuck off with your cis label! I won’t have a bastardised use of a scientific term used to identify women. The term is WOMEN/WOMAN. We don’t need a label so trans people can take our identity for themselves.

The backlash comes in many forms.

and that includes trans-positive (cis) female feminists

Time for the translator:
and that includes trans-positive (swear word removed) females who think they are feminists.

We don't exclude transitioned women. They are XX and included by biology in womanhood. Transitioned men are excluded, but not by us, by biology. Feminists can't include them in womanhood. Politicians can't. Doctors can't. No one can.

You're saying that to have concerns about women's rights is an 'anachronistic strand of trans-exclusionary radical feminism '.

No I'm saying to exclude transitioned women from female spaces and to continually shout 'you're a man', seems to be done by an 'anachronistic strand of trans-exclusionary radical feminism'. Most people don't seem to share that view. Except on here.

In tonights debate Sarah Dittum didn't appear to be doing that btw, she seemed to be saying that trans women and women need to be protected in female only spaces, from men pretending to be transgender to gain access.

Their worldview is based on an illusion though, and ours is based on reality. I agree that it's an irreconcilable difference, I just don't agree that both sides have an equally valid viewpoint.

They are mutually exclusive. Identities collide.

That's a very pessimistic view. There are many women who accept trans women as women and that includes trans-positive (cis) female feminists.

It is already disappearing. I'd better go to bed and stop sharing the misery.

They erase our identity or we erase theirs. As I've said before. The trans identity (pink brain blue brain) is in my opinion more in keeping with traditional and mainstream ways of thinking. Feminism is very young by comparison and not at all well established.

That wouldn't work for them though would it AAK. It isn't their story, their worldview. We cancel each other out

Not that this is their intention. Their story emerged from a patriarchal culture in the first place as did ours.

Our story will be submerged as theirs supports the patriarchy