Hi Mumsnet, if you are asking feminist women to consider whether Mumsnet is for them, please be clear that the space *we* made here is for *all* of us.

I was @Maryz. In fact I was disgusted at what I heard of not letting trans women use preferred toilets around the time of the Trump election. I clicked on an Active thread and learnt a bit. Then came on here and learnt a lot more. My mind has changed completely.

I admit I don't like siding with Trump on anything and the realisation that he knew more of the nuances involved than I did is pretty soul destroying!

Lancelottie, it seems possibly not. But we will never know unless someone, somewhere, is actually allowed to do proper research on it. Not just self-selection questionnaire filling in.

I expect we might be revisiting the topic of "let's hide FWR from Active" again, because wasn't the reason for doing that in the first place that the reports were taking too much of the mod's time?

Hiding from Active won't stop the TRA's seeing threads though, it'll just stop ordinary women seeing them

How many of us were entirely neutral (or even on the side of the translobby and the trodden-down minority etc etc) a couple of years ago, and only realised the wider implications by accidentally coming across threads here? I know I have - without MN I would have no idea that bonkers-ness like the NUS and their gender-neutral toilets were on the verge of being put into law, not to mention the issues of prisons, sports, statistics and safeguarding.

That post is not me saying transwomen are male either^

Its me saying that MRAs and many manyTRAs have significant crossover and seemingly the same goals. Take from that what you will.

Ironically I've decided the feminist chat section is not for me because it's dominated by the trans debate. Maybe MNHQ are getting fed up with it.

Have posted this before, but basically what MN are doing is giving in to MRAs.

And thats a horrible sign from a feminist website, tbh.

I wasn;t meaning delete FWR. I mean shutting down conversation of trans stuff/GRA reforms alltogether. Just locking/deleting any thread started on the topic, anywhere.

Of course this would still not be enough for TRAs, who would swiftly move onto 'transphobic' campaigns and such. But this is just where I can see it all going. I hope I am wrong though. But giving an inch..to people like this..is totally the wrong thing to do. And this twitter reporting thing is just ridiculous. Why not encourage them to join up and actually partake in discussions, and report posts the normal way if they feel they cross the line?

Mind looking at the MNtransphobia twitter account thing, there is only one post that they have screenshotted that I would actually consider possibly transphobic. And even thats borderline rather than this apparent outright rampant transphobia thats here. Yes, I have seen transphobia posted here, but its always always deleted quickly. Because MN members report it. As they don't want to see transphobia either.

But do suicidal thoughts and actual suicides go down after transition? A year later, 5 years, 20 years later, are outcomes measurably better for these children?

Basically, I think justine may have had a rethink, after putting her name so publicly to the GC debate and experiencing the wrath of these people. Given she has already suffered at the hands of MRAs, I cannot blame her for not wanting to go through it all again.

CharlieParley, it seems any mention of safeguarding at all is transphobic now. So obviously any mention at all of the treatment of children that isn't 100% positive, affirming and suicide-preventing is also transphobic.

The Twitter moderating it’s a proper brain fart though and hopefully it will be reversed as it’s fucking insane.

I am a bit worried that the twitter reporting idea has been introduced as a way for MN to say 'its not worth the effort we have to put in moderating the topic' tbh. I know that sounds really conspiracy like, but they have to know they will be piled on with reports from transactivists, given even talking about anything to do with female biology is considered transphobic!

Not too long ago, HQ mentioned that the amount of reports was ridiculous and that we should basically self moderate. And now this open invitiation to TRAs to spam MN with reports.

I hope I am wrong. But honestly, nothing else makes sense to me. I can understand them wanting to bow out, afterall this is one of the only spaces that actually allow discussion on the topic and they will come in for some shit because of that. Hell talking about it all on twitter has got me death threats, rape threats,n threats against my family, and even a visit from the police. So to be the ones facilitiating other women talking freely on the topic, the abuse will be much much worse and I dread to think. When Milwall say they have never seen anything like it, MPs say the same and so on, it has to be bad. I expect the abuse against HQ will be even worse, as the founder is female. and its females who get the worst of it from TRAs. Hence the attack on MN, and not any of the other male dominated spaces where actual transphobia is so rampant. Women on twitter saying anything vaguely GC are attacked, meanwhile men can use transphobic slurs and be absolutely awful about transpeople, and not a peep.

For me FWR is one of the corner stones of MN. At times it’s honestly made me take the misogynistic rose tinted specs off. If the prominent voices leave it will be a sad day for MN.

I just don’t believe (maybe hopeful thinking) that MNHQ are bowing down to pressure - hopefully more like a temporary measure till they find their legal arse covering stance.

The Twitter moderating it’s a proper brain fart though and hopefully it will be reversed as it’s fucking insane.

The general public just don’t know about the real problems the trans movement is causing. After speaking to my 85 year old granny this morning about trans women taking female jobs she replied with ‘ah but they have allways felt like a lady’ she was shocked when I told her self I’d would entitle them to do..

What sets Mumsnet apart from other fora is the level of articulation, specialised knowledge in so many areas - medical, legal, academic, educational etc. Those people who are willing to share their knowledge and wisdom with others across the whole of the board. And also the people who offer such incredible emotional support to those suffering in abusive relationships. It's an amazing and unique space and it centres women

Please @Mumsnet do not dilute free speech or the standard of debate within FWR. Yes, it's robust at times, and you get the odd nob, but it's pretty much critical thinking at it's finest. It would also be completely contrary to the assertion Justine made so recently in the press.

I agree that if FWR goes those wishing to close down critical thought and free speech will move to other topics like AIBU, Parenting or even Pregnancy.

You can see why I rarely post here (#inarticulate) but I read, I take it in, I share it with my family and friends. I want to very sincerely thank those like Datun , AAK , AssingedPuuurfect , RedToothBrush and all of the very learned feminists, and feminist supporters who take the time to engage in important debates about all aspects of feminism

Whoever has started that Twitter account screenshotting posts allegedly displaying transphobia on mumsnet has an odd definition of transphobia.

They screenshot one of my posts containing nothing but facts about Jazz and the Jazz Jennings TV show.

In response to someone asking how can you say xyz about Jazz Jennings I replied by explaining about the TV show and what the show has told us about the effects of puberty blockers on Jazz. I neither deadnamed nor misgendered the child. I didn't speculate or insinuate anything. Just facts made entirely public by Jazz, Jazz's parents and Jazz's doctors.

Given all of the above, the only thing they can be objecting to is that I said that women are concerned about these children because despite early affirmation and medically transitioning, Jazz is clinically depressed and has not developed any sexual function at all (which is of course not a desirable outcome).

Being concerned about the welfare of children subjected to a new and untested treatment regimen is transphobic now?

When all the parents here were pushed into vaccinating their children against swine flu, I decided against it, after properly looking into the efficacy of the vaccine vs the possibility of vaccine damage. Despite deciding not to vaccinate my older DC, I briefly considered having my preschooler vaccinated after the GP and the school urged me to do so. However, once I found out that the vaccine used for the under 4s in the UK was explicitly disallowed for this purpose elsewhere in the EU, I declined.

As a result of the vaccine hundreds of children were severely disabled across Europe, including one of my son's classmates.

There have been no real consequences for the pharma industry selling the vaccine despite knowing of this possibility. Or for the Department of Health pushing the vaccine who also knew and didn't advise the parents. There won't be. Just as there won't be for damage to the children given supposedly harmless puberty blockers.

The only way we can protect children from iatrogenic harm is to speak up when we are worried. To raise our concerns. To ask for caution.

Now with the swine flu that was almost impossible - it was an acute situation, presented as an emergency and things moved far too fast for proper scrutiny to be given. But these puberty blockers are an ongoing issue. We have that time and we should take it to demand proper scrutiny before more children are damaged.

And I stand by that. If warning about iatrogenic harm to children from an untested treatment is transphobic, then I'll wear that label. But I won't shut up about it.

There is always a bigger picture!

My hope is that it is: - show us some actual transphobia then.

But then deleting for correctly sexing ...

I'd like to know who is running the twitter account too, the way this is being dealt with is far outside of reasonable.

Who the hell is running their twitter account? Not another fucking intern?

I did wonder if Emma still has the login password..

I think the twitter account may be a pragmatic response. There is always a bigger picture!

Who the hell is running their twitter account? Not another fucking intern?

Reading the mumsnet twitter account is enlightening. They are responding to the harassment with appeasement rather than ignoring or muting. I wonder why?