Thread on twitter. The paedophilia plan.

We are also encouraged to think about who we would go to if we have concerns about the head. The head asked us to think about this.

What Twitter account is it ?

Loads of terrible outcomes for safe guarding once we allow sex based protections to be null and void.

Colleagues in education/ schools I know would not stand for any of this in practise; it would definitely be questioned and raised. But we have rigorous training and have to discuss this repeatedly due to our setting. Certain incidents in the last few years (completely unrelated to this but in regards to safeguarding and staff) have made us be extremely aware. What has been encouraged particularly is colleague/peer discussion and an open culture of questioning of behaviour of staff, not feeling that they couldn't talk as staff are more senior, examining scenarios and examples. Empowering people to query and question with the safeguarding of children in mind.

This won't be as rigorously done everywhere but is a useful aspect of safeguarding that can help to question ideology that we feel isn't correct rather than just swallowing everything we're given.

There's a title for the training we got; I'm currently out. Not exactly whistle blowing but similar.

If one doesn’t buy into gender ideology then one risk assesses for a transwoman as one would for a man. And where my daughter is concerned I consider men to be a much higher risk than women (because they demonstrably are), and all the re-education in the world isn’t going to make me risk assess a transwoman as a woman. I couldn’t care less if that is deemed transphobic.

Isn’t it ironic, when a message highlighting that tactics of labeling dissenters as bigots and phobic are being used as social manipulation is deleted as potentially bigoted and transphobic?

Neutering children isn't abuse.
Neutering children isn't abuse.
Neutering children isn't abuse.

OK. I'm convinced.

OK, so now it has been deleted. I take back the thanks

I'm glad this is on twitter.

More air for people to read and take note of concerns and do their own research.

"Wannabe known" is my favorite new phrase and I'm stealing it, just so you know, Posie.

YY Ellen I agree. I am aware that MN are being scrutinised by trans activists and I want to ensure that my posts are very clear in what they are and are not saying, IYSWIM

So what if he can, and I'm casting aspersions about him I've been told he's a throughly decent man

Wow. The 'thoroughly decent man' thing has been done so many times before.

This thread is looking like Swiss cheese, although my comment (at 00:49:26) which is all over Twitter as evidence of transphobia stands I note. Thanks MN for not labeling me a transphobe .

OK so I know this video is from a conservative organisation but I think it's very illuminating on this point. It's only a couple of minutes and worth a watch.

In Canada they have had the concept of self-ID for longer than us, so many people now feel it's wrong to assume peoples gender. Despite the fact that he is clearly a man, you can see how hard it is for them to say so. He then goes on to talk about assuming his race and age. Watch how people squirm trying to stay PC and allow him to self ID as whatever he feels like.

Now, I know that this is only vox pops so it's not exactly Pulitzer Prizer winning journalism but it gives a sense of where this concept can lead - taken to it's obvious conclusion. Watch him ask people if it he should be able to ID as a seven year old and attend a Kindergaarten.

Someone upthread talked about how our safeguarding laws have come about because people (mostly men) have always used gaps in the rules to be able to carry out abuse. This is why it's so important that safeguarding rules are watertight, you can't start chipping away at them.

DBS procedures were beefed up after the Soham murders. Had they been sufficient before, two little girls would still be alive. Current activism thinks it's ok to dilute them again because the privacy of a small number of people is more important.

How is this not a vital topic for a parenting website to discuss?

Oh God I had forgotten about Alok and his 'kinky little girls. And what about 'Lactatia' the 9 year old drag queen, who calls his fans 'Lactators'?

I'm sure this thread will start being passed around the Internet as an example how how 'MUMSNET THINKS THAT TRANS PEOPLE ARE PAEDOPHILES'. It's just how stuff gets twisted these days.

But this discussion is so important to have.

Someone upthread talked about how our safeguarding laws have come about because people (mostly men) have always used gaps in the rules to be able to carry out abuse. This is why it's so important that safeguarding rules are watertight, you can't start chipping away at them. But

Once you start issuing guidance to teachers that disclosures from children not to be shared

Once you start saying that it's 'transphobic' to have concerns about a trans activist in their late 20s asking children to private message them on twitter

Once you start encouraging children to make life changing decisions about their bodies that they do not have the capacity to comprehend

Once you start recommending that porn is shown in schools.

Those safeguarding holes start opening right up again. And people who want to take advantage of that, will.

consult.education.gov.uk/safeguarding-in-schools-team/keeping-children-safe-in-education/supporting_documents/Keeping%20Children%20Safe%20in%20Education%20Proposed%20Revisions.pdf

Safeguarding Partnership info is on page 20

All we know about safeguarding seems to be totally thrown out of the window as soon as the word 'trans' is mentioned. Its quite odd, and scary tbh.
Certainly appears to be the case.

Thisissparta that's very concerning indeed. I don't see how that can operate in practise?

Is this the same thing:

www.law.leeds.ac.uk/assets/files/Safeguarding-Report-Final.pdf

That's really shocking Sparta. I cannot understand what thought processes led to that.

All we know about safeguarding seems to be totally thrown out of the window as soon as the word 'trans' is mentioned. Its quite odd, and scary tbh.

Sparta do you have any more info about the new 'safeguarding boards'?