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Biology matters in medicine - medicine failing trans individuals

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KittyKlaws · 01/05/2018 11:02

I was reading a feminist group I'm a member of and someone posted this article which comes from lascapigliata which some of you may be familiar with. lascapigliata is a feminist and a doctor and often comes at this with a medical perspective. In this case a trans man (TIF) was given inappropriate treatment due to gender identity rather than biological reality which led to further issues resulting in needing a transplant.

I found it interesting and demonstrative of why biology still matters very much. If you are interested you can read more here:

lascapigliata8.wordpress.com/2018/04/29/transgenderism-and-unethical-medicine/

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KittyKlaws · 01/05/2018 12:21

While I don’t usually get onside with the ‘sue them all’ mentality I think this would be a very interesting case to test legally. Does the text say if this is going to court at all?

Probably not if what TerfinUSA says is true and she holds some of the responsibility herself in hospital shopping.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 01/05/2018 12:03

While I don’t usually get onside with the ‘sue them all’ mentality I think this would be a very interesting case to test legally. Does the text say if this is going to court at all?

We cannot have a situation where medics are afraid to treat a patient according to the biological reality they see before them, where treating as the incorrect sex would damage the patient. It’s unthinkable.

Bowlofbabelfish · 01/05/2018 12:00

My god. What an utter balls up. Surely the logical thing to do would be to err on the side of caution and use the female measurements (and discontinue testosterone) in a small, slight, female patient? how would they possibly defend their decisions in a court of law?

The implication that medical ethics can be subverted due to pressure from the trans ideology is deeply disturbing.

Medicine is physical. It’s based on evidence and the physicality of the body you are treating. To ignore that physicality due to ideology is grotesque.

Could there be a more shocking example of opinion trumping reality? We are down the rabbit hole here.

UpstartCrow · 01/05/2018 11:53

This is insanity. I brought this up as a potential hazard on a recent thread and was told by a UK medic that it could never happen, as doctors are always aware of our biological sex and that takes precedence.

The USA seems to have low standards of medical care compared to the UK. I'm very concerned about us adopting their system.

TerfinUSA · 01/05/2018 11:48

Also the woman in question went to one hospital who stopped her daily testosterone injections, but she perceived this as transphobia, so she shopped for a different hospital who restarted her injections.

All the while her kidney function was declining rapidly, towards an early grave, but the important thing is the second hospital restarted her on the T, even though it might have worsened her kidney disease.

TerfinUSA · 01/05/2018 11:40

The interesting thing is that the authors of the study are themselves transactivists. They said it was wrong to tell the woman to discontinue testosterone (because getting proper 'transgender therapy' is deemed more important than basic health), even though there's good evidence that taking testosterone is very harmful in patients with kidney disease.

Moreover, they explain that the doctors were confused about whether to treat her as female based on her body, reproductive structures, muscle, etc. or male based on her (artificial) testosterone levels, yet they resist discontinuing the artificial testosterone which would have completely solved this confusion.

SweetheartNeckline · 01/05/2018 11:36

Jesus Christ.

There was me thinking it'd be "just" transwomen demanding smear tests and not being diagnosed with prostate cancer...

KittyKlaws · 01/05/2018 11:25

Thanks Ova its the same text. So easier to access now you've copied it over. lascapigliata also has some other interesting cases on the blog and Twitter with medical implications. It makes for disturbing reading and I can't see how it is helping anyone.

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OvaHere · 01/05/2018 11:20

Copied the post below from a related discussion. This has really disturbing ethical implications for the medical community.
www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8g6yke/transgender_man_being_evaluated_for_a_kidney/

This report shows the full depth of transgender delusion over basic biology.
"A 33-year-old female-to-male transgender individual (height, 5′1″; weight, 135 lb) presented"
"Laboratory results revealed an estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR)3 of 31 mL/min/1.73m2 if assessed using the male equation or 23 mL/min/1.73m2 if assessed using the female equation. On the basis of male categorization, the patient was diagnosed with stage 3 chronic kidney disease (CKD3), "
Fucking important note at this point: a kidney's function is to filter, so HIGHER filtration rates are better. The female equation gave a kidney disease stage of stage 4/'severe' (dialysis and transplant both likely required), the next step is 'end-stage', i.e. 'you're about to fucking DIE', whereas the male equation said she was only in 'moderate' kidney disease, which is controllable with diet.
"Renal transplant evaluation was initiated several months later. Corresponding male eGFR was 24 mL/min/1.73m2, but the corresponding female eGFR was 18 mL/min/1.73m2. Urine protein excretion was 3 g/day. Because transplant candidates require a GFR