The Guardian shills for prostitution

Pot - ring up their customer helpline. They have cheaper subscriptions available, they just don't advertise them on the web. Several people on here have rung up to cancel the intro offer, explaining they can't afford the full whack, and magically been told there's a cheaper option (laptop only? smartphone only? rather than access across all devices) which they can switch to.

Failing that the Torygraph is only 8 quid a month, and its actual news reporting is for the most part good, and it carries a wide range of commentators, not just right wing ones (for instance, Joan Smith writes for them fairly regularly).

Potplant any students in your house? We’ve got a student pack and I think it’s about £26 a year

Right, that’s it, I’ve deleted the Guardian app from all my devices.

Only problem is what I do next. I’ve always used the Graun for all my news needs. I can’t afford £6/week for the Times after the discounted trial ends. Any ideas?

Full section? Full decrim. I hate autocorrect.

Thanks Ophelia (I take it you meant full decrim in Germany).

I totally agree that the prostitutes themselves should never be criminalised. But is there any way of drafting legislation which would make, say, three women working out of a flat together and employing a bouncer distinguishable from a pump running three women but claiming he was a bouncer? I feel very strongly that pimping and brothel keeping should remain illegal (for the reasons you mention in connection with how badly wrong full section has gone in Germany), but I can't see how you could draft a half way house law without it containing more loopholes than a Swiss cheese.

0phelia I agree that the situation in Germany isn't how I'd want to deal with things.

I thought the Nordic model would be a good solution, but apparently that hasn't worked out as well as people expected - sex workers' rights groups say it's made them less safe and more vulnerable to everything from rape to deportation.

I don't have a problem with the idea of selling/buying sex, but as usual the fundamental problem is male violence. I don't see how any social policy can actually keep women safe until male violence is addressed.

The Guardian doesn’t do ‘analysis’ when it comes to women’s issues, the Guardian does ‘condescendingly correcting feminists.’

It's quite complicated because I agree completely with decriminalisation for the workers themselves.

It's abhorrent that in parts of the world a prostitute has literally no ability to find help, if they are attacked or raped without a condom, they can't go to the police because they will get arrested as soon as they say what happened. In America these women will get arrested then can't get an abortion either. They may even get arrested for showing up at the hospital if they say too much.

So criminalising the work is wrong.

In the UK the worker herself is not committing a crime but aspects that surround the work are illegal which often support her working in a safe environment, such as running a brothel. So this is not perfect either as many places will just get closed down and girls will need to work on their own at lease temporarily. When House of Divine in Milton Keynes closed, they had been running 6 seperate brothels and that was a LOT of girls left unemployed, there weren't other brothels around because HoD had a sort of hold on the market.

Full criminalisation I guess is just easier, but I wouldn't herald it as progressive, it's just lazy. And where you find it there is always a huge increase in trafficked women and the prices drop considerably.
€10 a job in Germany for some.

It's a predictable and one sided article that gives absolutely no analysis. I stopped reading the Guardian a long time ago.

The guardian as a whole does not like women. (A couple - and I think it is only a couple - of honourable exceptions among their female columnists).

Terrible article all round ...

"Not much trafficking happens ..."
"I help the disabled..."
"I'm a man and I help rape victims..."

What about the research evidence showing that prostitutes exhibit similar or more severe PTSD than war veterans? Prostitutes are living a war zone. Daily.

Makes me sick when The Guardian sanitise that.

Omg. What a load of bollocks.
I like the mandatory "feminists are committing great violence against us". Really don't get how having an opinion equates to violence

Whenever you think you’ve reached Peak Guardian, something like this comes along and you realise that before was only a false summit.

They truly hate women at the Guardian. Which is clear when they publish articles such as this one.