MNHQ Deletion Policy

Specific, named people, Cady. Also, remember what I said about harassment in the other thread? Just because MNHQ don't care that you're doing it doesn't mean that it's OK.

AngryAttackKittens Wed 02-May-18 18:38:16
When we're no longer allowed to discuss pedophilia if doing so in any way implicates any known TRAs?

Attempting to align fighting for Trans Rights with excusing 'peophilia'

It's a no brainer you can't just go around slandering or insinuating about a whole group of people.
Slowly having my eyes opened the other way over the past couple of days starting with the parkrun thread and now this one, some of the comments are vile.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

I thought perhaps I should post this here since they are screenshotting misandry and transphobia.

When we're no longer allowed to discuss pedophilia if doing so in any way implicates any known TRAs?

On a parenting site, FFS.

How soon do we not realise we're lying, we're so conditioned to it? It starts with gender, pretty soon "no you're not hurting me", then where?

If anyone feels inspired to give @MNHQ a Churchill style speech now would be the time.

This behaviour is just insane. It's like a modern fascism.

I don't think so tbh AAK, but they can hardly ignore it because they said they would treat tweets as reports. Which was not wise but hey ho

The concerning part is that MNHQ seems to have established a friendly, cooperative relationship with the TRA account. IW is referring people to the TRA account so that they can "help" MNHQ.

It's def a TRA account. And IW has RT it

Just checked, I'm not sure this is an official Mumsnet account? Its description is:

It isn't a MN account - it is a TRA account watching over us.

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I'd say that's a TRA account.

Just checked, I'm not sure this is an official Mumsnet account? Its description is:

Countering the denial that transphobia on Mumsnet exists AND pooling reports so Mumsnet can take action more easily.

At this point I'm wondering if MNHQ is quietly collating our information to pass on to whichever TRA has found themselves a nice cooperative local police force. Apparently an agreement of some sort has been reached with IW (or at least IW thinks so, which admittedly may not mean much).

Yep. It'll be illustrative to see what incidents of real transphobia get logged. If any.

I think it is just MNHQ saying "show me" the same way we do here.

There needs to be a happy medium though, and I have no answer to the best way to solve it.

No there does not need to be a happy medium between women having rights to privacy and dignity and women not having rights to privacy and dignity.
Stripping women of some rights presented as a "happy medium" is simply wrong.
The way to solve it is to provide for the sub set of males in male accommodations.

So capitulation it is, then?

Fuck this shit.

Barracker totally agree with your post. Insisting by force / the law / deleting your posts that someone else call you a name other than your natal sex is bullying and gaslighting. It's lying, and yes we lie out of politeness all the time but we do it freely. The state insisting we lie is very chilling (as happened in the Maria M court case), there are historical precedents for where this sort of thing happened and they were not good times / places to live. MN insisting that we lie is not in the spirit of free speech. This is what we're debating not whether it's "nice" to use particular pronouns - individuals should be free to decide whether they'll do that or not themselves. This is about being censured / penalised for choosing to stick to the truth.

Also, arguably lying is not the "nice" thing to do. I like what Miranda Yardley says about pronouns here mirandayardley.com/en/contribution-discussion-womens-place-uk-meeting-27-february-2018/
" it’s cruel to lie to people about what they are. People should be accepted for what they are, and you should not base friendship on a lie."

fully transitioning peeps need protecting too. Not denying and saying "but no,you're not one of us and never will be" which some have said.
So what do you do? Suppose that's the billion dollar question otherwise there wouldn't be all this

IMO it is deceitful and dishonest to pretend to be the opposite sex in perpetual terror of being found out. It is manipulative, gaslighting and bullying to force other people to play along with your pretence.

It is also transgressive to over step the mark and to use services and facilities for the opposite sex and should be frowned upon and discouraged because you should respect other peoples boundaries.

People who feel uncomfortable being their own sex should seek psychological help first - and if they seek to have medical help too, it should be understood that this is not a green light to be deceptive, dishonest, gaslighting, bullying and transgressive. They should be openly 'trans' and stick to using the services and facilities of their own sex. They shouldn't be given license to be boundary violators because they have a mental disorder. They also shouldn't be given deceptive, dishonest documentation that lies on their behalf. They need to deal with their condition not try to change the world and everyone in it to suit themselves - just like every other person in the world with a psychological disorder.

The kind of protection they are entitled to, is freedom from harm and discrimination as they go about their business (which doesn't involve lies, gaslighting or transgression).

If DH tried to tell me that he knew as much or even more than I do about female specific experiences guess how well that would go for him.

If I'm not going to take it from someone I love dearly I'm certainly not going to take it from some random on the internet.

Well, me too AAK (with my OH rather than yours ) but I am distinct from him in a number of significant ways too. As people we share similarities and characteristics but we have to acknowledge the differences we have when it comes to speaking about classes and groups, particularly if we need to talk about issues (like FGM, or baby girls being abandoned etc.) - but I am aware you know all this and we come from the same side.