MNHQ Deletion Policy

Who I choose to have sex with is quite frankly none of your business scrappy
Confused, surely the answer is that genitals don't matter? I didn't ask who you want to have sex with, I asked if genitals matter.

Surely a transman can have a super manly body by your definition.

Can't believe RefuseToDenounceBiology's post was deleted. Basic biology now gets deleted? It wasn't transphobic, it wasn't goady, it wasn't about any particular transwoman.

Sort it out, HQ.

Oh the best comparison ever.....

"Are you being forced to wear a seatbelt in a car"

You are 'forced' to wear a seatbelt for your own safety. And if you are in the back seat then for your safety and that of front passesnger.
(so that you don't doff them in the back of the head in a crash. Fancy that)

Forcing someone to tell factual lies is totalitarianism

Aaaaand back on topic...

... it seems to me that there have been some deletions today that are alarmingly autocratic. If deletions are being made not solely on the basis of content but also on the basis of how much external ire they attract, could I reiterate the suggestion for training in managing coercive control?

Beautiful men are a wonderful thing! They're still men though, regardless of how lovely their faces may be.

Why spend so much time arguing and shutting people who disagree down as ‘transphobic’?

Surely you can use your time and energy campaigning for trans people, ensuring they get the support they need (which, I suspect will
Be taken away if Self Id comes into play).

Shouts of ‘transphobia’ simply alienate those who would naturally be allies and supporters. The TRAs and MRAs are doing a cracking job at this.

Isn’t there a better way IWill?

It's just such a shallow way of looking at womanhood, prettiness and making other girls jealous. I'd be raising my eyebrows at anyone who said those sorts of things in a feminist space.

James Dean and Robert Redford

Yes changey I will agree that there needs to be a way to distinguish between transwomen and women. Society already has a way to do this.

Transwoman/Woman

Can you see the difference?

There is no need and it’s very hurtful to a trans woman to remind her that she wasn’t born the way she felt. Ie:calling her a male in any way.

I’m pretty sure from discussions with the few people who do know and the trans support forums I am on that most people know the difference between a trans woman and a trans man.

It seems like some people here just like to stick the boot in.

IWill - I report transphobic posts. The ones that actually are transphobic or particularly rude or belittling towards trans people. Funny thing is, these are only ever (that I can recall) made by non-regulars on the FWR board. Regular posters on here might disagree with trans ideology, but it's only if you get into the rabbit hole of biology is bigotry (there is no such thing as a female penis!!) that you see much transphobia on this board

And FWIW I would never report patronising or sarcastic posts, or MNHQ would be completely swamped

Bless!

SupermatchGame, I presume you accept that members of the sex class that produce large immobile gametes and can gestate young have some distinct and unique needs not shared by people who aren't members of that sex class?

wouldn't it be great if there was a word to describe members of that sex class?

Hang on! There is! And (except by the performatively woke) its meaning is universally understood.

Yes you've guess it - it's woman

Exactly. Some boys are very pretty.

Forcibly shutting people up doesn't exactly win hearts and minds. In fact it tends to make them bloody angry and push them into acting. That's how Brexit happened, it's how Trump happened.

This is not a helpful policy to anyone, the TRA lobby in particular. On the other hand it does show up the lunacy, the scariness and the fear of women being allowed to talk and stand up for their rights for exactly what it is. MPs and Journalists following these threads please take note.

Is it so hard to look beyond stereotypical gender stereotypes Iwill?

I'm not pretty. At all. Definitely a woman.

iwill would you consider that sometimes a person may refer to a trans woman as having a male body because they need to be able to make the distinction between them and a woman? We've been told that to call them a man, or male, is offensive, so that seems like the next best way of putting it. The problem with using just "trans woman" is that wider society often thinks that means a woman who identifies as a man, ie a trans man.

More presuming hateloggingin

My daughter rarely wears heels, has her own very long hair and isn’t particularly into makeup

She is very pretty and yes some of her friends are jealous.

Is is really so hard for you to look beyond the typical trans stereotype?

Good response OldCrone

It can make you legally recognised as a woman though

No surgery or hormones are required for a male to legally be called female. All you need is that piece of paper to tell the lie for you.

In some countries, blasphemy is a crime. That doesn't prove God exists and is easily offended. Law can be irrational, and rational opinions can be legally suppressed.

most of society considers them to be the sex (or gender) of their acquired sex, for the vast majority of purposes.

No they don't. They do it because it is polite. They don't often have relationships which is why the Cotton Ceiling is a [rapey] thing.

Is reality transphobic?

do you know what else is transphobic? Donkeys. Fucking transphobic bastards. Keeping the rhinos out of the sanctuaries.

In what way?

In that trans women legally becoming women/ female isn't about them possessing ova or having to. That isn't a criterion for being legally female. That has been objectively stated by the law.

In that if someone has been through a legal and medical transition process, most of society considers them to be the sex (or gender) of their acquired sex, for the vast majority of purposes. You focus on the difference. Most of society focuses currently on the similarities. I think this might be because you are transmisogynistic.

Surgery and hormones don't make you change sex.

They can't change you into a biological woman. No amount of surgery can do that.
It can make you legally recognised as a woman though, just like a woman who fully transitions to male would legally be a man.
Not biological, granted, but a legally recognised one.

And they need to look at the whole body of posts, rather than just individual posts...

Being mistrustful of men being allowed to self Id as women does not mean hating transwomen. Wanting to retain women's rights does not mean hatred of transwomen.

Telling a toddler they cannot have another ice cream usually results in 'you hate me'. I see many parallels.