MNHQ Deletion Policy

Yeah

No leaving angry

At all ever

I'm frankly at a loss to understand what's 'transphobic' and what isn't.

No joke. I literally don't know.

However, when discussing sex segregated spaces and activities, the sex of persons wishing to take part is relevant.

So while it may well be rude in everyday life to point out that transwomen are men, in the context of the discussions we have here, it is necessary and proportionate.

We've been duped into thinking if we're nice we'll be allowed to continue talking to each other.
It's a lie.
We're only allowed if we don't upset men.

Be seen but not heard, be nice, be ladylike ...

AAK

If HQ attempted to impose it on AIBU there would be an uprising that would make Spartacus look like a kiddies tea party.

• Impose sanctions on the Dog threads. Those fuckers take no prisoners if a random dog approaches their Fido. Try telling them that it's only natural for dogs to want to smell bumholes or calling for cockapoos to be renamed mongrels and and it will be full on mutiny

AngryAttackKittens - please, please, please give advanced warning if you decide to leave. I will find a way for us to keep in touch. But please also - stay. This too shall pass.

RedToothBrush - I can't bear to see you triggered this way. It's wrong. Any woman-centred site should be ashamed that it has put community members in harm's way like this. Have solidarity and lots of love and a recognition of what's happening here today.

IwillReportAllThingsIDon'tlike - presumably you reported the dictionary definition posted here? Is it dictionaries you don't like, or just words?

You are so not up for discussion - unless it's all on your terms.

…laudable efforts to restrict speech can become a tool to silence critics, or oppress minorities. The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech’ and that is the essence of my thesis; more speech. If we want a robust society, we need more robust dialogue and that must include the right to insult or to offend. Because, as someone once said, the freedom to be inoffensive is no freedom at all.

Therefore fuck TGLWGH

*so is my daughter

This is where WTGLWGH thinking got us.

We've been duped into thinking if we're nice we'll be allowed to continue talking to each other.
It's a lie.
We're only allowed if we don't upset men.

At list one tim wrote to Harper Collins to get the definition changed and they wrote back and thanked him for the heads up! Dimwits.

Ta swich

@MNHQ could benefit from looking at Rowan Atkinson's speech. This bit for example:

‘While arresting a protestor for using ‘threatening or abusive’ speech may, depending on the circumstances, be a proportionate response, we do not think that language or behaviour that is merely ‘insulting’ should ever be criminalized in this way’. The clear problem with the outlawing of insult is that too many things can be interpreted as such. Criticism is easily construed as insult. Ridicule is easily construed as insult. Sarcasm, unfavourable comparison, merely stating an alternative point of view can be interpreted as insult. And because so many things can be interpreted as insult, it is hardly surprising that so many things have been, as the examples I talked about earlier show.

“Although the law under discussion has been on the statute book for over 25 years, it is indicative of a culture that has taken hold of the legislative programmes of successive governments that, with the reasonable and well-intended ambition to contain obnoxious elements in society, has created a society of an extraordinarily authoritarian and controlling nature. It is what you might call The New Intolerance, a new but intense desire to gag uncomfortable voices of dissent.

Nobody's saying transwomen are biologically female

except for the poster on crispbutty's thread claiming that transwomen need gynaecological examinations.

Also, if no one else is going to say it then I am - holy lack of class consciousness, Batman! I know this may be a terrible shock for the naice middle class mods, but some of us non-ladies who were raised working class do not naturally speak like we had a dainty Wedgewood teacup in one pinkie-raised hand and a scone in the other. We speak bluntly and directly. Which ought to be allowed, and if it's not maybe stick up a sign on the door letting the less naice know where they're not wanted.

Somehow I do think that the problem with a lot of young'uns (the #NoDebate student-type) these days is that the comedy just wasn't good enough when they were growing up

Those of us weaned on the Young Ones, Not the Nine O'clock News, Monty Python, Blackadder - we're fairly fireproof - not melting into narcissistic tantrums because someone said the wrong word, or used the wrong pronoun.

Cada: no legal definition of female so you are wrong. They have the right to be treated as if they were female for the purposes of the law ie it's a legal fiction, and that's only with a GRC anyway. If there's no GRC they aren't 'legally female' they're just protected against discrimination for their 'identity'' or the way they present.

Got a penis?
Not a women.

Go on, delete me, for stating biological facts.
Then remember your role in this authoritarian thought control when you see where it leads us.

@CadyHeron

"Nobody's saying transwomen are biologically female. They are legally women though if they have transitioned, whether you like the fact or not. To deny their existence and insist on calling them blokes (not self ID ones who decide on the day, I mean full transwomen) kind of is transphobic."

It's that dichotomy which is concerning, though, CadyHeron. That people who are not biologically female will be lumped into the same category and statistics as those of us who are, and that because it is 'legally' the case, flagging up the issues will be perceived as transphobic.

Nobody's saying transwomen are biologically female.
This is a blatant lie which there is ample evidence to refute. Please do not repeat lies here. Things are tough enough discussing the truth.

That Rowan Atkinson speech is superb. I wish I had a transcript!
Full transcript below the video on this link:

reformsection5.org.uk/2012/10/rowan-atkinsons-speech-at-rs5-parliamentary-reception/

Oh hey, what do you know! That's the same mod that told me that my comment was deleted for using the word "male" in the context of attempting to describe IW looming over and shouting at an elderly actress on CBB. And then there was this.

As we said, we can see you weren't trying to be deliberately inflammatory at all but we would appreciate it if you could just give every post on this topic really careful thought so as to avoid accidentally inflaming a situation or upsetting someone personally.

This is a completely unreasonable standard to impose, and it's only being imposed on gender critical women. If HQ attempted to impose it on AIBU there would be an uprising that would make Spartacus look like a kiddies tea party.

This is not what allowing the debate to happen looks like. This is what enforcing the female gender role looks like. It's sexist as hell.

It is amazing to compare the treatment FWR gets when trolls post inflammatory comments, and constantly start trans threads so they can claim that is all we talk about, and the absolute free for all that is AIBU..

I'm assuming mumsnet Hq / IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts / THE ACTUAL POLICE will be at my door shortly to confiscate my dictionary Pratchet.

I'm Spartacus and I like to be able to check the definitions of words.

Cote has been posting what the dictionary definition of "woman" and "man" are for literally years.

What's wrong with them now?

Are they hate speech and propoganda now, poula?

Because, squint as I may, I still see four fingers, no matter how much you might tell me I see five. Dictionary definitions aren't hate speech!

Oh my god

swichala

Im so scared for you