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and I know who did

How?

And it wasnt me

People who make covert threats never admit that they're threats.

It's advice
It's banter
It's just a question
You misunderstand

Who, me? Little old me? Making threats? Oh, you're so imaginative!

"if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman."

A piece of sloppy drafting, but it's still talking about the legal position, not the underlying biological reality. After all, legally, a corporation can acquire personhood under certain circumstances; it doesn't mean Sainsburys or the TSB or Great Western Railways literally become persons, i.e. human beings.

supermatch just because some unhinged belligerent weirdos push lies into laws, with no popular support, under the wire, on only a technicality, doesn't make it true.

This current trans ideology is extremely damaging to people with gender dysphoria.

Something the woketopians never seem to realise, isn't it?

I hope you are ok too, Truscum. This has been a bruising day for many, I know.

"I have never threatened legal action or even implied it. I was giving a reason why it's not ok to say some of the things you've said such as "trans women are not women/ female", or "trans women should be treated like men" because it goes against the legal position. That's one reason why most people don't think it's ok."*

I have never said "trans women should be treated like men". Are you doing that thing where all posters you don't like are the same person? And again, you can say that wasn't a threat as often as you like, but we're not stupid.

Clearly you just can't ever sleep again, Rufus. I hope you like coffee!

I know you didn't Angry - and I know who did.

I hadn't reported anyone's posts at all up until last night when people started reporting mine.

Ring a ding ding.

Thank you, you fantastic lot

This current trans ideology is extremely damaging to people with gender dysphoria and other conditions.

I must be honest and say I would still do everything the same today (surgery wise at least - probably would have discouraged pronouns and wouldn’t have gone into the female toilets sometimes when with female friends)

But I had years of therapy first. I fully understood the biological realities of the situation, what the grisly details would be, why was I seeking it, that it would not be a magical cure. Also that finding a partner ( a gay man in my case) would be difficult.

And after all that I was still certain that I needed to change my body that drastically before I could ever feel comfortable in it.

What is happening now is so far removed from that. Children are being told they will literally turn into the other sex. That with enough hormones, surgery, makeup, whatever, they will be the same as a biological woman/man and that absolutely everyone will see them as that. That anyone would love them.

It’s just not true, children cannot make life changing decisions like that. So many would never transition or ‘detransition’ if given the chance. They especially shouldn’t be basing that decision on a complete lie.

Before the thread does go poof, I urge anyone who's interested in Some posters are allowed to lie; some posters are not allowed to tell the truth to read social scientist Robert Altemeyer's book The Authoritarians

Download available here;
theauthoritarians.org/

For the third time: no, it doesn't. Stop ignoring this.

"if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman."

Pratchet you would argue black is white if you could.

Note Supermatch that I did not report that comment! So, high road and all that.

The threat was in the comment where you oh so subtly hinted that perhaps saying that trans women are male might be against the law? And what about the Equalities Act? And perhaps we could discuss?

Which you will no doubt claim was not a threat (pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on).

We could wake up to find a giant steaming crater with WE TOLD YOU TO BE NICE written on it.

Thats virtually the exact same thing I'm worried about

Cept mine says WE FUCKING TOLD YOU TO BE NICE

Some posters are allowed to lie

Some posters are not allowed to tell the truth

That is the bit that has my BS meter cranked up to woman the lifeboats.

Hey Rufus, who knows what will happen in the morning? We could wake up to find a giant steaming crater with WE TOLD YOU TO BE NICE written on it. The mods could develop an understanding of how authoritarian personalities operate overnight. But most likely just more deletions and maybe a few bannings.

Truscum. This shit is not your fault. Nobody can persuade people with personality disorders act like reasonable considerate
humans, if anyone ever figured out how to do that they'd be the richest person in the history of psychiatry.

No Angry it was the one with 'foaming bile' actually.

Please show us where I have threatened anyone or demanded obedience?

"Some women have penises" is a phrase I find absolutely enraging.

There are some individuals with penises who sincerely wish they had been born as women - fair enough, I wish them every bit of luck in dressing however they want and adopting whatever name they want (still draw the line at having them in single sex spaces though).

But the penis is not now, never has been, and never will be a female organ.

It's not ok to say some of the things you've said such as "trans women are not women/ female", or "trans women should be treated like men" because it goes against the legal position.

For the third time: no, it doesn't. Stop ignoring this.

I am absolutely furious on behalf of Red.

I am raging as well.

I actually feel really anxious every time someone says 'transwomen are women' or 'a boy can be a girl' or even use the word 'daughter' to describe a male. It freaks me out and gives me a tight chest.

Every time a transwoman says 'yes I am male', or 'yes you can call me he' I feel my tension loosen a bit and I can breathe a bit easier.

I think this is why children with autism are increasingly (in alarming numbers) being swept up in this damaging ideology. They don’t know what being the other sex feels like, all they know is that they don’t feel comfortable in their own skin.

Yes and can we please as a society talk about this? Autistic children are particularly vulnerable to this trend. So far the official response to that issue being raised has ranged from "meh" to "fuck you, bigot!". This is not acceptable. As a society we are failing those children.

I am absolutely furious on behalf of Red. IWill, is not hearing your child, who's not even part of this conversation, referred to as male worth causing Red this much distress? How many women's distress would be worth it, to avoid having to acknowledge your child as male (an unusual male, but still male)? Because Red is far from the only one.

And the others, Supermatch and Paola, don't even have a dog in this fight the way IWill does. What's their excuse?

Thanks for posting that, Truscum. I consider you in no way responsible for the fucking mess we are all in now. Transactivism is almost indistinguishable from the men's rights movement now - showing misogyny, violence against women, wanting to erode women's sexual boundaries and privacy, and just the good old-fashioned wish to shut women up.

You clearly care very much about women and women's rights, and speak out about it constantly

*thing

Super explicitly tied their attempt at coercive control in with an implied threat of legal action against anyone who won't obey them.

Angry this just gets more and more bizarre.

I have never threatened legal action or even implied it. I was giving a reason why it's not ok to say some of the things you've said such as "trans women are not women/ female", or "trans women should be treated like men" because it goes against the legal position. That's one reason why most people don't think it's ok.

I haven't threatened anyone. I've stated views that are not in agreement with yours. I've made one or maybe two slip ups where I've said something a bit rude. But never once have I threatened or demanded obedience. The only think that is explicit here is your lie.

reluctant

Ive said it before but bad things happen when i go to bed

Brexit

Trump

There is a pattern

If i do go to bed people have got to promise to pm me

I dont want anyone to go missing and not realise for months (as usual)

Tru - more from me too. I feel like your genuine and unthreatening efforts to deal with your dysphoria as best you could (efforts which I have never found threatening either in the past or now) have been hijacked by some cuntless cunts of the first order. That hijacking isn't your fault.