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Trans Park Run Deletion

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TheUterati · 30/04/2018 12:25

Poorly played, MN, very poorly played.

The perspective that when male athletes identify as female athletes and on the basis of that are eligible to compete against women, they are cheating is an absolutely valid one that is deserving of discussion.

Points in its favour are:

  1. The context of cheating in sports as a whole - those self-harming activities that athletes willingly participate in to give themselves a competitive edge.
  2. The evidence that mediocre male athletes who identify as female manage to then carve out glittering careers where those would not be available to them had they continued to compete as males.

It is an absolutely valid perspective.

Accusations of cheating against specific individuals may well be against talk guidelines, in the absence of supporting evidence, but those individual posts can be deleted and a friendly warning from MNHQ posted on the thread.

Males identifying as females and competing in female sports is a key issue in GRA, whether it occurs at the 'social, fun' end of things or at at Olympic level. To silence this debate is an appallingly heavy-handed.

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spontaneousgiventime · 04/05/2018 00:13

As I understand it telling your family,using the women's toilet, and putting on a dress, is considered to be proof that you are living as a women.

Sounds about right, women aren't worth much are they?

thebewilderness · 03/05/2018 22:29

As I understand it telling your family,using the women's toilet, and putting on a dress, is considered to be proof that you are living as a women.

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 03/05/2018 21:40

Whatis

Again, no mention of a fecking badge.

Nor of writing on someone's forehead, wearing a hat or anything else you might want to make up that someone said

Cripes

FloraFox · 03/05/2018 20:25

The law also allows sports bodies to not treat people with GRCs as their acquired gender for the purpose of sporting events.

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 20:00
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spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:59

Also, 'self id' or 'living as a women' doesn't really mean anything legally, does it?

Legally no. Trans people can do a deed pole and change their name, this will allow all official documents etc to be changed. The old 'dead name' documents are then sealed.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/05/2018 19:58

No just highlighting where it is happening in a friendly conversational style

But you haven't highlighted anything. You make up a statement that has not been made, and then you say it was a transphobic statement.

Baroquehavoc · 03/05/2018 19:57

That's my understanding of the conversation, OnTheList

Also, 'self id' or 'living as a women' doesn't really mean anything legally, does it?

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:55

OnTheList "The law clearly states that if surgery has taken place then that person can identify as the gender of their choice"

Part right, once surgery has taken place of course people identify as the gender of choice. The thing is, to get surgery you must live two years RLE as the gender of choice.

Changing gender does NOT change sex.

OnTheList · 03/05/2018 19:52

Maybe I am missing something.

As I usually am when not being able to make sense of a point Blush

OnTheList · 03/05/2018 19:52

And actually, even if trans-identified male has all the surgery going, they will still be male.

Indeed.

No-one mentioned a GRC. We are talking about how people self identify. To get a GRC you need to have self identified for at least two years RLE.

Yes?

But

The law clearly states that if surgery has taken place then that person can identify as the gender of their choice

Which law would this be, that states if surgery has taken place then someone can identify as a different 'gender'? Confused

Whatisoccuring · 03/05/2018 19:50

are you playing word bingo and seeing how many times you can get the word transphobic in this thread?

No just highlighting where it is happening in a friendly conversational style !

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:46

OnTheList No-one mentioned a GRC. We are talking about how people self identify. To get a GRC you need to have self identified for at least two years RLE.

Baroquehavoc · 03/05/2018 19:46

The law clearly states that if surgery has taken place then that person can identify as the gender of their choice

Having surgery is not required to obtain a GRC.

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OnTheList · 03/05/2018 19:45

The law clearly states that if surgery has taken place then that person can identify as the gender of their choice.

Actually, surgery is not a requirement for a GRC

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:42

It's beyond ridiculous when you can't call a person what they are because some bloody hand wringer thinks it's 'phobic'. I'll say what I believe to be biological science. I will NOT play into games and delusion. End off.

Newsofas · 03/05/2018 19:40

Spontaneousgiventine. I agree. The law clearly states that if surgery has taken place then that person can identify as the gender of their choice. These people are protected by the sex equality act. This has been the cAse for years. It works as sex is also protected. Self identifying is not protected.

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:35

TW ARE TIM if they have not had surgery. What is so bloody contentious about saying it? They identify as trans women but are men. I'm not playing the semantics game, when a person has a penis they're male.

Newsofas · 03/05/2018 19:35

Whatisoccuring - I really not clear what you are trying to say. Who is being transphobic here or are you playing word bingo and seeing how many times you can get the word transphobic in this thread?

thebewilderness · 03/05/2018 19:34

Reality has a well known transphobic bias.

Baroquehavoc · 03/05/2018 19:34

I think we are back to the:

On top of this, we will need new words for the group of people with cunts, it would be useful to have one for grown up cunt people and child cunt people, in order to be able to report on stuff like the rubbish tips pakistan thread the other day.

CadyHeron · 03/05/2018 19:33

Occurring - yes, that male comment slipped in stood out to me as well

spontaneousgiventime · 03/05/2018 19:33

Anyone can do it how they like. And I can say I don't like!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/05/2018 19:31

Calling women trans-identifying males is definitely transphobic

Now I'm really confused Confused Where has anyone said that?