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Feminists want to legalise child prostitution

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DJLippy · 27/04/2018 13:09

I just read an article about how the liberal left and feminism were working towards legalising child prostitution.

If anyone wants an insight into the SWERF slur and the debate around the legalisation of prostitution this is a brilliant place to start.

I cannot believe that in 2018 progressives are arguing that anyone who is against 'youth sex work' is a zealout.

Considering Telford, Rochdale ect how can the left be considering such moves? Does anyone believe the police would take those girls claims seriously if their abusers had a 'licence?'

www.christianpost.com/news/is-there-a-secret-plan-legalize-sex-trafficking-minors-feminist-activist-tells-all-222211/page1.html

The fact that she had to publish this article in a Conservative Christian magasine should speak volumes about the state of the Left today. Why isn't anyone angry about this???

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Dancingleopard · 27/04/2018 21:33

This is dreadful. Wtf is is going on? The world is inside out 🙈

thebewilderness · 27/04/2018 21:29

I think that is the FeMANist position rather than the Feminist one. Just FYI, there is no feminist or tenet of feminism that endorses the rape torture and abuse of children, or women or men for that matter.

HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:59

@Annewilko4

Yet another article referring to the new bill as progress. It’s literally just taken away safety measures put in place by sex workers themselves as I said previously. Trafficking doesn’t need the internet, it’s easy to abuse children without it. Whereas conducting voluntary sex work safely is now becoming near on impossible as there’s no way to screen the people you’re meeting and it’s making women more vulnerable by putting them back on street corners.

0phelia · 27/04/2018 17:58
0phelia · 27/04/2018 17:57

Sex worker / prostitute / hooker whatever.
I called myself a hooker when I worked.

No one is convinced that any of these things are different from each other and the demand to be called a "sex worker because it's just work" completely undermines the truth about the work.

It's propaganda.

0phelia · 27/04/2018 17:54

Nordic Model is the criminalisation of punters not prostitutes Confused

Feminists want to legalise child prostitution
Annewilko4 · 27/04/2018 17:49

Have a look at this. People are very angry and there is plenty of information if you look.

www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/public-safety/theres-virtually-no-such-thing-as-voluntary-sex-work-says-da/

DJLippy · 27/04/2018 17:44

My point is Happy that the stigma is coming from wider society, not the word itself. PC culture says don't use the offensive word/change it and all the problems disappear. It just picks up all the old stigma after a while and a new word is needed.

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QuentinSummers · 27/04/2018 17:40

Happy there is nothing in that article tgat suggests the problems those prostitutes had in Oslo would be any different under decriminalization. Decriminalization isn't going to remove any stigma about prostitution at all.

HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:38

@DJLippy

Well because despite common belief we are actually still people and we even have feelings. Prostitute still is rooted in stigma and implies coercion etc. Sex work is much more neutral and although it can still be used to describe those that are trafficked it also allows room for those who choose to work in the sex industry and don’t feel like a slur being hurled at them when someone thinks prostitute is just the standard term.

DJLippy · 27/04/2018 17:29

Why bother asking to change the name? In 10 years sex work will be just as stigmatised. You can change words but they'll still become associated with the 'shameful' thing they represent.
Why do we keep having to change the words for disabled people?

cripple - Handicapped - disabled - mobility impaired

mong - spastic - special needs - service user

I can guarantee you kids will be calling each other 'service user' in the playground in a few years.

Until we address the reasons why the thing the word represents is taboo altering language won't help.

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HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:25

@FermatsTheorem

Although I don’t agree with you on that point, let’s say you were even right. The vast majority of sex workers agree with roughly the exact same arguments as amnesty put forward. It’s representative of us, just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn’t make it wrong.

HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:23

Actually we do want to be called sex workers over whores/prostitutes (both used extremely derogatorily). Do you also object to gay people not wanting to be called fags or homos? It’s not much of an ask.

FermatsTheorem · 27/04/2018 17:22

Amnesty was basically taken over on this issue by one of the richest pornographers and pimps in the UK who likes to pretend he's a"sex worker" - funnily enough that seems fairly characteristic of so called grass roots sex worker organisations. When you dig closely they tend to be run by and for pimps.

CritEqual · 27/04/2018 17:21

I'm almost inclined to argue even the words child prostitution normalises what is actually child rape.

HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:20

Also there’s an entire hugely vocal community. The problem is sex workers aren’t politicians or public figures so their voices aren’t heard everywhere like some, as apparently speaking up about a profession is more obscene nowadays than backing drugs. It doesn’t mean they don’t do what they can.

DJLippy · 27/04/2018 17:18

Words like 'youth sex work' normalise child prostitution.

Efforts to de-stigmatise sex work aren't about destigmatising the prostitutes, it's about de-stigmatising it for the clients. They don't want to feel bad for using prostitutes. Call them 'sex-workers' and they can be woke and still get their dick sucked on a Friday night,

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HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:14

@merrymouse

Hey! Hi merry mouse, I’m one of those non existent happy sex workers you speak of! Sorry we’re a bit quiet when people only want to shout over us and tell us that they know better about what laws are good for us.

HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:11

www.thenation.com/article/amnesty-international-calls-for-an-end-to-the-nordic-model-of-criminalizing-sex-workers/

An article that quite detailedly explains the issues of the Nordic Model and why amnesty international has stepped up against it. Of course it’s not as bad as criminalization, nowhere near so, but it doesn’t provide the quick solution people think it does.

merrymouse · 27/04/2018 17:10

Where are all the happy sex workers?

Plenty of people are vocal about their medical and social use of marijuana. Happy prostitutes seem to be much quieter.

DJLippy · 27/04/2018 17:10

Her Bio

Senior reporter at @FairPunishment // Prev: @villagevoice @PacificStand // Author, Playing The Whore, @versobooks

Sounds like a well connected journalist to me....

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xxmarksthespot · 27/04/2018 17:09

"Feminists" want to legalise child rape ? I know we live in an era where words are losing all meaning but this makes as much sense as "Christians who don't believe in Jesus but make ritual animal sacrifices to Odin instead". It's no basis for discussion to twist the definition in such a terrible fashion.

0phelia · 27/04/2018 17:07

America is an absolute disgrace when it comes to prostitution.
The law does indeed make it impossible for a prostitute to come forward even after she has been beaten and raped without a condom or whatever because she'll only get arrested. It needs to be at the very least decriminalised for the worker across the continent.

I'm really not getting from that article that all Liberal feminists want to legalise child prostitution.

But weirdly in America you can still marry child brides, 200,000 children have married in America in the past 15 years, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Liberal feminists here in the UK are sometimes but not always pro sex work but I think because that view is backed by the blokes it gets promoted.

The tem SWERF is just daft and is used by the exact same demographic who use terf and care about pronouns. That insane NUS guide was written by this demographic. Clueless. WTF are our universities "teaching" anymore!!

People knowledgeable about the sex trade understand it's complexity and would never ever support criminalising a 15 year old for her work in prostitution.

DJLippy · 27/04/2018 17:07

One batshit feminist - she has 40k followers and she's posting stuff like this on twitter normalising child prostitution:

@melissagira
Follow Follow @melissagira
Looking for a feminist donor to give $1 to @3Wave for each time they get bullying tweets about their support for youth in the sex trades.

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HappyStripper · 27/04/2018 17:02

@FermatsTheorem

Umm well I guess no need to argue that then as that’s pretty much exactly what’s in place in the UK...

Still seems to be pretty rife with child abuse and sex worker murder as you all have kindly pointed out though.

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