I peaktransed the school mums...

Well done.
As for the gay men, most are still silent, a few over recent years have spoken out. Disappointing they have not generally been there for the Ls in the alphabet.

I work mainly with men
Sort of a 20:80 ratio
Those that I've told think it's ridiculous (self ID) and when you talk about penises in women's refuges or stuff that may affect their daughters they defo get it. I do t think they'd sign a petition but at least to introduce a bit of critical thinking is something

Shame we can't deport incels to a separate universe...

Oh my God! I haven't been following the news so didn't understand the reference to the Vancouver Incel attack. Have just googled.
www.ctvnews.ca/canada/what-s-an-incel-unpacking-the-disturbing-facebook-post-linked-to-toronto-van-attack-1.3900226

“Stacys” are “women who are withholding their sexual opportunities from men.”
It's like living in an alternate universe, at the moment. Fucking insane.

I've been meaning to sign for a while and your thread reminded me so I've finally done it. Thanks OP (and to the poster who provided the link).

Well done!

Wrt experiences of how to communicate the point most effectively, I find referring to 'sexed-bodies' quite helpful as it cuts through some of the issues relating to the 'trans umbrella' being so broad.

I say something along the lines of, as someone with a female-sexed body, when I am admitted to hospital, I am happy to share a ward/bay with people regardless of their sexual orientation and gender identity, I just ask that the ward/bay is designated for those who have female-sexed bodies. Sharing with people with male sexed bodies would compromise by dignity and privacy.

I also ask if people think there is any merit in the provision of same-sex services. If they think there is, they rarely conclude that gender identity is the driving principle behind the provision!

Well done. This is the way it's going to happen, a few women at a time. The Vancouver Incel attack has made it easier to talk about misogyny and it's not difficult, I've found, to move from that to the men in masks preventing the speakers getting to the stage at the event in Bristol last week and then on to the whole Transgender thing and the men's rights movement.

I talked to two young women yesterday who I thought might well be handmaidens. We started with Vancouver and I mentioned Bristol and by the time we said goodbye they were wondering if they could get to the next WPUK meeting.

I'm thinking of going door to door with leaflets. (What could possibly go wrong?)

Well done, OP!

I have found that the Guides and mixed sex tents for overnights without telling parents is the thing that really engages people.

I've been working on family and friends. I'm involved with a refuge so mainly talk about my fears that self ID would let men access those kind of places. Most people get it immediately when put in those terms. Just a few 'woke' stalwarts who disagree.

The silence of many gay men on this issue plus the erasure of lesbian spaces is deafening

Like so many men, they're not going to bother until it affects them.

ManFriday at the men only swimming pond, steam rooms, whatever.

I would hope that once they realise, they'd be good sports about the protest and at least support rather than hinder, but who knows

Yes when women are under attack, in whatever circumstance, it quickly becomes apparent who their real friends are. The silence of many gay men on this issue plus the erasure of lesbian spaces is deafening

I've only spoken about this to one woman at the school gate. She's quietly very, very skeptical of the claims of the trans lobby. I didn't peak her, she was just frightened to speak until she realised I wasn't going to shout her down as a transphobe. I think there are probably lots of people like her out there.

That's great. I am struggling with my friends, Lots of gay men, who don't seem the slightest bit interested in supporting women's rights. It does make me think very hard indeed why I have been so supportive over gay rights.

The self Id trans movement is one of the most destructive movements I have seen in years.

@AllTheFancyThings
Convincing 15 people using Whatsapp to add their name to a petition is no mean feat. How did you do it? What arguments did you present given the limits of the media you used?

not really it has been really slow the last couple of days. Ther ewas an increase at the weekend, but back to really really slow.

Is it my imagination or is the petition gaining traction? There does seem to be an increase in the amount of signers the last couple of days. I wonder if IW helped with her latest piece?

Thank you, and have signed.

Will share.

I think talking about this on chat and posting the petition there would be a good idea?

I’m terrified of the aggression and Orwellian double think that some activists for trans people are employing. I’m scared for myself and my daughter.

Now that’s just greedy OP! I’m trying to quietly educate people about self ID, one by one and you go and peak trans a whole gang! 🤨 😁

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118 @Atalune

Can you link the petition her please??

Bloody brilliant.

You what they say about the hand that rocks the cradle...

And it's why they are so scared of us

I peaktransed my daughters, my best mate and a couple of labour canvassers who knocked on our door.

Laurel Hubbard peaktransed DH and DS though. And just in time too; I was actually reassessing my relationship in the light of DH's apparent newfound misogyny. I think DH and DS originally thought I was overreacting about things that would never happen, because men wouldn't try to gain unfair advantage from identifying as women would they? Thanks Laurel.