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Joanna Lumley is terrified for men

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QuentinSummers · 25/04/2018 07:29

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43884163
Can't decide if her quote has been blown out of all proportion by the BBC or if she's genuinely terrified for men's egos, the poor lambs.

I also can't believe this is news.

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 21:13

To be clear, the man who told me that was not a medical professional and had no information whatsoever about my vagina.

LassWiADelicateAir · 27/04/2018 21:12

Re career females - the reality is that men dominate all the careers and fields they find valuable, and relegate women to doing the low status work. The instant men deem a career to be worthy and high status, women are pushed out, and when women move into a field men immediately consider it of lesser value (in Russia, for example, most doctors are female and medicine is a poorly paid low status job. The men didn’t want it, so downgraded the career’s value)

The intake in the UK to law, medicine and accountancy is pretty much equal- and has been for some time. And all over the UK parents of sons are saying "I'm so disappointed in him- he's a doctor/ solicitor/ barrister/ accountant" Except of course they aren't.

Are you seriously suggesting that the status of these professions is diminished because half of them are women? Or is this actually another example of exaggerated whingeing and in fact talking women down?

I don't know if this fact about Russia is true; if it is I would say it is more to do with the basket case Russian society has become since the fall of Communism than anything which can be usefully extrapolated.

JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 21:11

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 21:06

Sorry that should say 'you said how women should think and feel'

Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 21:06

JustOne you said

However the glass ceiling is no longer ubiquitous, and I don't believe that women entering the workplace today should take it as a given, or be discouraged by out-of-date views on what it's like in today's workplace.

You stated that the glass ceiling is not ubiquitous and you said how should think and feel.

JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 21:03

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 21:02

Just to let you know JustOne, it's really not unusual for men to try to tell women about their own lives. I've had a man try to tell me I didn't have a vaginal tear during the birth of my son. That was a bizarre situation.

JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 21:00

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 20:53

I'm still curious about what makes you feel justified in telling women about their own lives JustOne?

QuentinSummers · 27/04/2018 20:53
Grin
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JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 20:52

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QuentinSummers · 27/04/2018 20:45

Here, just for you just
Gotta love a man posting random anecdata as fact on the feminism board

home.kpmg.com/uk/en/home/insights/2016/07/revisiting-the-executive-pipeline.html

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JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 20:44

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QuentinSummers · 27/04/2018 20:42

When was your last data-point in these industries? Ten years ago?
Hahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha

That is very funny.
Yesterday at work in point of fact lol

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 20:39

Women are telling you about their lives and you're refuting it.

Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 20:39

Do you feel in a position to tell women about their own lives JustOne? Do you feel you have more knowledge about what life is like for a woman than a woman does?

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thebewilderness · 27/04/2018 20:38

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

JustOneMan · 27/04/2018 20:35

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thebewilderness · 27/04/2018 20:32

While it is true that men kill men at a higher rate than they kill women I do not find this in any way reassuring or even a mitigating factor in male violence against women.

JustOneMan, I respectfully suggest that your experience is so severely limited as to be useless as an example of anything.

QuentinSummers · 27/04/2018 20:24

What a load of tosh just. It is not "more or less equal" and you know it.

crit the difference is even though men are at higher risk of murder and violence, society doesn't constrain men's activity to avoid this happening. It isn't implied that men bought the violence on themselves by being out alone after dark, for example.

The threat of male violence isn't used as a stick to get men to behave in the same way as it is for women.

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Spaghettijumper · 27/04/2018 20:17

Do you feel that you're in a position to tell women about their own lives JustOne?

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Fifi5000 · 27/04/2018 16:56

Well murder is not the only form of violence. Murder is very rare. Sexual assault and domestic abuse are common and in the vast majority of cases perpetrated against women. Most men are not going around worrying about getting murdered, while many (most?) women have sexual assault in the back of their minds if they’re alone with a strange man, out at night etc.

I find that when I’m arguing with my lovely gentle dh I sometimes feel a little bit intimidated, simply because he is twice my size and could kill me with his bare hands if he wanted to. I’m sure this impacts on what I say to him. This is not his ‘fault’ but it contributes to a power imbalance in which my voice is slightly diminished.

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