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Trans intolerance is out of control

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rocketpocket · 25/04/2018 07:15

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/fraser-myers-trans-intolerance-mumsnet/21328#.WuAchK_TXYU

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PatriarchyPersonified · 25/04/2018 08:15

SusanBunch

A lot of the articles you just shared made excellent points. Disagreeing with someone doesn't automatically make them wrong.

When you highlighted those particular articles as evidence of bias, you show your own biases pretty clearly.

rocketpocket · 25/04/2018 08:08

Susan, for the most part, I would disagree with you.

Several of the articles on Spiked that you've just shared, such as the Ulster rape trial one have an excellent point. That point being that whatever YOU believe, those men went to court and were found NOT GUILTY. Which means that legally they are innocent. I agree that I was shocked at the verdict, I honestly didn't expect them to be found not guilty but they were and as such their clubs have no legal right to fire them from their jobs.

Spiked also defend freedom of speech in ALL cases. Yes, this might include some racism but it also includes the rights of Islamist hate preachers, offensive jokes (see Count Dankula) and the rights of mumsnetters to question and debate the GRA. One persons hate speech is another persons deeply held belief or opinion. Freedom of speech is often speech that you disagree with or find offensive. Short of actual incitement, people should be allowed to speak as they see fit.

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Wanderabout · 25/04/2018 08:05

(For sharing).

Wanderabout · 25/04/2018 08:05

There are plenty of places that have covered the freedom of speech angle - Janice Turner's recent piece of the mumsnet coverage in the Times are good options.

BiologyMatters · 25/04/2018 08:04

No fear of me actually sharing it I don't want my terf status to be public knowledge. But I hadn't heard of that website before, I hereby retract my previous statement!!!

SusanBunch · 25/04/2018 07:55

Ophelia, 'brave' is one word. They have a speciality in women-hating. In particular, they think the Harvey Weinstein thing is overblown hysteria and that women should just get over themselves and stop ruining decent men's careers and moaning about getting groped. I wouldn't recommend reading any articles if you have any blood-pressure issues.

I guess their bugbear here is the free speech issue. But according to them, free speech should also extend to racist abuse amongst other things.

They truly are vile, trust me.

BiologyMatters · 25/04/2018 07:52

Good article! Wish i was brave enough to publicly share it.

Wanderabout · 25/04/2018 07:48

"Let’s be honest here: if you have started hounding Mumsnet for hosting ‘hate speech’, you have officially lost the plot."

0phelia · 25/04/2018 07:43

That's a great article. I don't read Spiked so don't know anything about it generally but they look braver than mainstream news for writing that.

SusanBunch · 25/04/2018 07:28

Well he has a point but I despise Spiked and Fraser Myers. They generally hate women so it's interesting that they are now up in arms about this.

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