Tom Daley in The Times "trans women athletes have to have testosterone levels which are often lower than natural female athletes, so it's hard to compete"

Sport should have a XX category and a XY category. End of.

I think most right thinking people would support separate races for trans people. The self identifying women and men could race together. After all the ‘women’ would have no advantage over the ‘men’, as the ‘men’ would have been born female. It’s nit like the ‘women’ could possibly beat the ‘men’. 😒

I think I’ve managed to confuse myself. 🤪

Many transsexual women are uneasy about male to female people in championship level sport. Whether the testosterone level is down to that of a normal woman is not the full story; the athletes built up aspects of their physique, especially the long levers of the skeleton, and a longer than normal for a woman trunk, where much power is generated. Even if the testosterone is low ( Tom Daley was right about that) there can be, and could be expected to be, advantages. And it is awful for women athletes to have to compete with this. Altough it is not simple, as throughout athletics history some female champions have had medical conditions of which they were not aware, but would have produced " testing " complications today.

Can we not just make this simple, if you have or ever have had possession of a willy you can't compete in the female arena. You have a male bone structure, years of testosterone, are not hampered by periods, are bigger and it's cheating.

It's a shame because I like Tom and think he's a great ambassador for sport and for LGB.

Also wildly unimpressed about his comments about criticism of womb rental being homophobic.

Yeah there was no mention in that article of transmen having to compete against natal men who they stand no chance of beating either. Just the poor TW who will happily shit all over women's sport.

So I am confused... why then do these 'transwomen' athletes keep winning against actual females? The 'disadvantages' seem somewhat overstated. Hmmm.

To be fair, he’s only 23 years old and most men of all ages are clueless on the concerns of women about transwomen competing. That’s not an excuse I guess.

In the same article he claims that public objections to his and his DH’s use of a surrogate mother were homophobic.

I am not homophobic but strongly object to commercial surrogacy.

He's not thought it through has he, poor love.

I despise men who rent wombs and clearly men who rent wombs despise women.

Wanker.

Thank God a man cometh to explain to female athletes why their erasure needs to happen! Utter wanker

Nice of him to explain what athletes who are not him should be willing to give up and how they should be graceful about potentially losing out on their own ability to compete because someone else matters more.

Easy to say when what you're suggesting will have no impact on your career whatsoever, eh?

Gah! This conflation of LGB and T. Your sexual orientation doesn't make you want to cheat at sports by competing against people naturally smaller and weaker than you.

Yes, this. Thank you.

I love Tom, he has done a lot of growing up with a lot of scrutiny but he is still soooo young and clearly not aware of hyperandrogegism and of why the level is not the only element to consider. he probably hasn't spent a huge amount of time trying to see life through a female view point.

It’s hard because if you are male to female trans you have to have a certain level of testosterone, which is often a lot lower than the natural female athletes. You end up doing sport because you love it, but you can’t easily compete.

-it may well be that Tom has particular friends he knows through competing for whom the recent change in IOC is an issue.

-It seem odd too though that the nature of 'fair/unfair advantage' is solely focussed on the testosterone level.

Having seen so many call outs for 'allies' and especially 'powerful allies' recently though...who knows? It seems there are a number of ways to successfully lobby for trans rights.

The complete and inability to see how this applies to women competing against trans identified males is ironic to say the least.

And just another example of society's expectation that women should be content with a walk on part in men's productions of The amazing story of me

Yes exactly. I imagine the thought that it might be unfair to women never once occurred to him.

I mean he's using those athletes with hyperandrogenism to set the bar. Which is ridiculous, they have hyperandrogenism.

I don't know where he's got his info from as it's almost certainly bullshit. I'm crap at googling these things so wouldn't be able to back that up though.

you end up doing sport because you love it, but you can't easily compete

The complete and inability to see how this applies to women competing against trans identified males is ironic to say the least.

And just another example of society's expectation that women should be content with a walk on part in men's productions of The amazing story of me

"you end up doing sport because you love it, but you can't easily compete. I hope that changes"

But isn't this the case for all who participate in sport?
Only the best end up elite athletes? Why should trans women be allowed to have an unfair advantage?

Him whining that the surrogate would legally be the mother whilst wearing a pair of Oh Baby fun glasses didn't change my opinion of him one bit.

Tosser.

Gah! This conflation of LGB and T.

Your sexual orientation doesn't make you want to cheat at sports by competing against people naturally smaller and weaker than you.

Oh, Tom. I saw him on tv the other day talking about how homosexuality is still a crime in many Commonwealth nations, he had the potential to be a strong and effective voice for gay rights, it sounds like he’s unquestioningly swallowed transagenda rhetoric though. I’d optimistically file this under ‘naive’ rather than ‘wilfully misogynist’ for now and hope that he is open minded enough to listen to women’s voices.

Full article share token here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tom-daley-whos-the-daddy-lance-and-i-dont-know-ourselves-5ksxjw6kq?shareToken=46c071f9b417132cf143b57ae93de67a it’s a throw away paragraph towards the end.