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Nextloorejext · 23/04/2018 19:17

This trans forum has a long thread on Mumsnet. Seems they are actively lobbying companies to pull out advertising on Mn on the grounds of Mn allowing/supporting/encouraging hate and transphobia. After having a quck look, the Angels site seems to spout it’s on views on “terfs” which sound pretty hateful, possibly even misogynistic. I know both sides if the debate can go over the top and get pretty nasty - but, am i wrong to find many pisters there completely hypocritical in targetting Mn for the kind of comments and rhetoric similar to which they are accusing Mn of, not only accusing but trying to damage the site with haranguing the sites advertisers to pull out.

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Ereshkigal · 26/04/2018 12:52

It's further up on this thread.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/04/2018 12:50

I stuck up for JC because I had no idea she had done what she did to Sweary

Can someone provide a link?

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 25/04/2018 09:24

Oh goodness yes bowl

I absolutely get why she felt targeted...I'm fairly positive she was targeted

But i dont know why feminists are the ones being blamed

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/04/2018 09:04

Well to be fair if I had a pet shot at my home (outside or within home) I’d be very worried by that. I assume it was followed up?
Unfortunately if it was shot at on the street or when outside then it is much more likely to be unconnected. There was a spate of attacks on pets in our town a few years ago - turned out to be some particularly unpleasant youths with air rifles.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 25/04/2018 08:59

So mention of who shot the dog

Just that it was shot

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/04/2018 08:41

She says ‘I’ a lot...

I’m not entirely sure any body of published reputable research would agree with her assertion that women are as violent as men.

Again the ‘hordes of screaming heckling feminists’ trope...

One would hope that someone discharging a firearm in her home would have been investigated? She implies the incident was at home.

AssassinatedBeauty · 25/04/2018 08:37

This is apparently a copy of what she wrote in the Scotsman in 1999 about the dog incident and the background to it. I have no idea of the accuracy of this:

www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/failfamt.htm

Tanith · 25/04/2018 08:23

I’m sorry, I hadn’t seen that Sweary had had such a bad experience SadFlowers

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 25/04/2018 07:54

Oh...that seems a bit of a weird accusation to just bandy about like that

Thanks bewilderness

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/04/2018 07:00

Why on earth would anyone do that? Does she have any evidence?

thebewilderness · 25/04/2018 00:06

Pizzey accused women of murdering her dog.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 24/04/2018 22:48

Whats the bit about erin pizzeys dog?

thebewilderness · 24/04/2018 22:29

Nextloorejext Flowers
Sweary Flowers

TeamOrders · 24/04/2018 22:15

I've no idea what actually went down here as I've not been around much due to rl, but these past few weeks when I have been reading and trying to keep up I've taken to ignoring that person's endless autobiographical posts and all the fawning and validation surrounding them. Completely agree with everything Lang has said here. I'm glad it's out there now. Gin for Sweary though.

thebewilderness · 24/04/2018 22:11

I have twice tried to point out this dynamic and been modded for it.

Me too. More than twice but I am a stubborn old woman so I say what I think and my comment is reported and deleted. So be it.

Ereshkigal · 24/04/2018 21:56

I think the worst thing you can do with a narcissist is take them in good faith and assume they're playing by the rules. Trying to fathom their behaviour outside the framework of power, control, narcissistic supply and narcissistic injury is a waste of time.

MadBadDaddy · 24/04/2018 21:53

sorry shoulda said: "Accepting that none of it makes sense doesn't stop you being trans either but it does actually help a lot. "

thebewilderness · 24/04/2018 21:50

That is one of the tells of a narcissist, the bit where they do not reciprocate the way people who empathize with others do. Sociopaths on the other hand do faux empathy surprisingly well, though they have tells also.

Ardant · 24/04/2018 21:49

I really don't understand what you're trying to say, I'm not being sarcastic.

MadBadDaddy · 24/04/2018 21:48

I'm responding to one or two comments that were along the lines of "I'm fully on board with welcoming people with dissenting viewpoints " by offering a dissenting viewpoint that may (or may not) be held be the people you're thinking of being welcoming to.

Accepting the facts of basic science still doesn't stop you being Trans. Accepting that none of it makes any sense doesn't help either.

Having it pointed out all the time, though, is SO annoying. Is there another reason to come here?

Ereshkigal · 24/04/2018 21:29

I've never had the concern I've shown reciprocated. It's water off a duck's back, when women share our stories - it doesn't register.

That's exactly it.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 24/04/2018 21:02

Men laugh at us and kill us. We don't waste our energy worrying about the laughter.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/04/2018 21:01

Like I said on another thread, I'm terrified of spiders. People are free to laugh at me when I act like the daddylonglegs on the wall is going to kill me (DH certainly does).

SwearyGodPervert · 24/04/2018 21:01

Lang GrinGrinGrin

LangCleg · 24/04/2018 21:01

100% agree on the knowing manipulation of female socialisation being an absolute red line on a feminist board. You're spot on, sweary and lang - it is a common dynamic and I've been sucked in myself. I've never had the concern I've shown reciprocated. It's water off a duck's back, when women share our stories - it doesn't register.

Exactly. And this is why it isn't anything to do with educating lurkers. It's to do with educating ourselves so that we support each other and don't get sucked in.

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